Track is making up rules

Phillip marvetz · 07-10-2011, 01:58 PM

I know this is a bracket race problem but just wanted to put it out here for all to see and get your feed back.

My home track has decided to make up a rule about breakouts.

"As of July 9th, MRP will be following the rules for breakouts as are printed in the NHRA 2011 rulebook on Page 6, with the following exception. This rule will apply to all Bracket Catagories. If a competitor breaks out of his posted index, he will be warned the first time and will be disqualified the second time. This warning will apply for the year, not for each individual race."

The head of tech thinks that the rule for the .90 class cars should apply to the brackets cars also and has rammed this down our throats.

I have been fighting the good fight on this one trying to make them see how the rule does not apply to bracket cars but have not gotten them to back down yet. It's on the team forum at www.teammission.com if any one has any input.

larry dowty · 07-10-2011, 02:22 PM

sorry to here that why dont you just dial 20 flat and run it out the back door first round no break out ?

Phillip marvetz · 07-10-2011, 02:51 PM

I dialed a 12.00 and ran a 12.016 flat out first round against Don "The Worm" Elgin . Touched the high 11.90s next 2 rounds after that. The head tech guy tried to convince another racer into protesting me after the third round double breakout, He wouldn't so now we have this.

I have spent a fair amount of money to slow the car down and make it consistant and almost had it perfect Sunday. The Good news is that Kelly went 3 low 12.0s in a row so I think I have her car figured out finally. ;-)

BTW I would have gone 11.999 flat out in the final.

Alan Warman · 07-10-2011, 03:48 PM

I see yellowbullet was a lot of help. Half of the guys on that forum don't even race so what would they know. Are you running a Index class.

tommy d · 07-10-2011, 04:16 PM

Sounds like they are trying to keep you PRO'S out of their sportsman class. Maybe they consider sportsman or bracket three a newbie or street car class. I don't agree but I've heard those kind of rumblings before at other tracks.

Phillip marvetz · 07-10-2011, 04:52 PM

I run sportsman because I don't want to run electronics, Just doing what I can with the rules they gave us. This rule affects a handful of more racers than myself.

Dion Hildebrandt · 07-10-2011, 05:15 PM

I guess 'no electronics' means just no delay box these days. I remember one year in tech I was wrongfully accused of having worn out slicks as per the rules ( which only applied to street D.O.T. tires) and told not to come back till I replaced those tires. I raced everywhere else for two years with the same slicks, then the tech people were asked to step down due to their shall we say dictatorship of tech inspections. Point being sometimes it is best to do as they outline and sooner or later things will work themselves out. By the way what has been your win-lose ratio there Mr.track champion? haha

John Kelley · 07-10-2011, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

As of July 9th, MRP will be following the rules for breakouts as are printed in the NHRA 2011 rulebook on Page 6, with the following exception. This rule will apply to all Bracket Catagories. If a competitor breaks out of his posted index, he will be warned the first time and will be disqualified the second time. This warning will apply for the year, not for each individual race."

What track is this ??

Jeff Goss · 07-10-2011, 07:48 PM

Mission Raceway Park in Mission, B.C.

As I posted on another forum, as long as you dial a 12.00 or slower, you should be good to go. Breakouts happen. It is really splitting hairs to bounce someone that runs an 11.99 or quicker-especially if the car is legal to go that fast (no roll bar rule until 11.49).

It really opens up a can of worms-in all bracket classes! Sounds like someone is looking out for Car Club members (track is run by the British Columbia Custom Car Association)!

cicero819 · 07-10-2011, 07:54 PM

Mr Marvetz, slow your car down to 12:15, Congrats. on beating Don Elgin, one of the greats of the sports, anytime you beat Don Elgin you've accomplished something. I have to agree with the track, don't break out of your index, if it's 12:00 to 12:99 and you go 11:99 I'm sorry but you broke out. If you want to be the fastest than you're taken your chances. Are you trying to be the fastest to have the benefit of the first to red light or just seeing your opponent all the way? Either way they are right, and you have to play by their rules, it's only fair. I've raced in this context many years ago and I made sure that my car wouldn't run any faster than 12:03 flat out. Claude

07-10-2011, 01:58 PM	#1
Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Track is making up rules I know this is a bracket race problem but just wanted to put it out here for all to see and get your feed back. My home track has decided to make up a rule about breakouts. "As of July 9th, MRP will be following the rules for breakouts as are printed in the NHRA 2011 rulebook on Page 6, with the following exception. This rule will apply to all Bracket Catagories. If a competitor breaks out of his posted index, he will be warned the first time and will be disqualified the second time. This warning will apply for the year, not for each individual race." The head of tech thinks that the rule for the .90 class cars should apply to the brackets cars also and has rammed this down our throats. I have been fighting the good fight on this one trying to make them see how the rule does not apply to bracket cars but have not gotten them to back down yet. It's on the team forum at www.teammission.com if any one has any input. __________________ 2009 V/SA Record Holder

07-10-2011, 02:22 PM	#2
larry dowty Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: chewelah wa Posts: 283 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules sorry to here that why dont you just dial 20 flat and run it out the back door first round no break out ? __________________ larry dowty 6388 SS

07-10-2011, 02:51 PM	#3
Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules I dialed a 12.00 and ran a 12.016 flat out first round against Don "The Worm" Elgin . Touched the high 11.90s next 2 rounds after that. The head tech guy tried to convince another racer into protesting me after the third round double breakout, He wouldn't so now we have this. I have spent a fair amount of money to slow the car down and make it consistant and almost had it perfect Sunday. The Good news is that Kelly went 3 low 12.0s in a row so I think I have her car figured out finally. ;-) BTW I would have gone 11.999 flat out in the final. __________________ 2009 V/SA Record Holder

07-10-2011, 03:48 PM	#4
Alan Warman Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: San Angelo Tx Posts: 231 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules I see yellowbullet was a lot of help. Half of the guys on that forum don't even race so what would they know. Are you running a Index class. __________________ Alan Warman STK 4107

07-10-2011, 04:16 PM	#5
tommy d Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 830 Likes: 1,609 Liked 359 Times in 135 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules Sounds like they are trying to keep you PRO'S out of their sportsman class. Maybe they consider sportsman or bracket three a newbie or street car class. I don't agree but I've heard those kind of rumblings before at other tracks.

07-10-2011, 04:52 PM	#6
Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules I run sportsman because I don't want to run electronics, Just doing what I can with the rules they gave us. This rule affects a handful of more racers than myself. __________________ 2009 V/SA Record Holder

07-10-2011, 05:15 PM	#7
Dion Hildebrandt Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: calgary alberta canada Posts: 383 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules I guess 'no electronics' means just no delay box these days. I remember one year in tech I was wrongfully accused of having worn out slicks as per the rules ( which only applied to street D.O.T. tires) and told not to come back till I replaced those tires. I raced everywhere else for two years with the same slicks, then the tech people were asked to step down due to their shall we say dictatorship of tech inspections. Point being sometimes it is best to do as they outline and sooner or later things will work themselves out. By the way what has been your win-lose ratio there Mr.track champion? haha __________________ Dion Hildebrandt 6009 STK H/SA

07-10-2011, 07:48 PM	#9
Jeff Goss Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Burlington, WA Posts: 361 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules Mission Raceway Park in Mission, B.C. As I posted on another forum, as long as you dial a 12.00 or slower, you should be good to go. Breakouts happen. It is really splitting hairs to bounce someone that runs an 11.99 or quicker-especially if the car is legal to go that fast (no roll bar rule until 11.49). It really opens up a can of worms-in all bracket classes! Sounds like someone is looking out for Car Club members (track is run by the British Columbia Custom Car Association)!

07-10-2011, 07:54 PM	#10
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules Mr Marvetz, slow your car down to 12:15, Congrats. on beating Don Elgin, one of the greats of the sports, anytime you beat Don Elgin you've accomplished something. I have to agree with the track, don't break out of your index, if it's 12:00 to 12:99 and you go 11:99 I'm sorry but you broke out. If you want to be the fastest than you're taken your chances. Are you trying to be the fastest to have the benefit of the first to red light or just seeing your opponent all the way? Either way they are right, and you have to play by their rules, it's only fair. I've raced in this context many years ago and I made sure that my car wouldn't run any faster than 12:03 flat out. Claude

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