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GTX JOHN · 10-25-2022, 09:34 PM

Well let's talk about the 666 and 301 Low Deck "B"
engine as mentioned earlier in this post:

What is my qualification to address this comparison.
Well, I have been racing Low Deck "B" engines since early
60's. Everyone out here has seen both the Roadrunners run
well over a second under on the brakes in Heads Up during
eliminations. They could show off by running 1.20 or more
we the wanted to = But my kids are not Foolish enough to
do that. Incidentally they have been through teardown at national
races and passed.

It is a given that the 301 and 666 are roughly even as produced
from the factory. Now look at the two intakes is with the carbs off.
One has the usual holes you would expect on most intakes while
the 666 has huge oblong trenches going the length of the carb area.
The 666 is easy and conducive to "Clean" and hard to tell if anything
might be unusual while the 301 is a normal style intake.
If you do not think a potentially larger intake plenum will not help air
flow on this engine = well we don't live on the same planet. When all is said and done,
I have found .04 and .05 faster performance back-to-back with the
666 in my testing. I have no reason to obfuscate the issue = we run a Thermoquad
73 combo now. If my post is too obscure to understand = PM me and I will be
much more blunt about what is going on when not on Forum.

Nearly a dozen years ago (3/29/2011) at a Div. 7 race in Vegas, I was at Heart Surgeon
preparing for surgery and my boy and a friend took my new N/SA truck out to the track.
a misclassed it as the wrong year = they did not know the truck and it was an honest mistake.
When I arrived later in the day I immediately asked Pat to take my truck off the ladder
and disqualify it. No one reported me or knew anything about the truck = I did myself.
In the correct class and year, it would have been the incorrect (too light)
weight! I was still awarded the additional 14 extra Horsepower.

We indeed made the mistake and therefore we paid the price. We did not try to
get out of it or attack anyone. If we had let it go in the wrong class it would have
wreck several people's trucks that legitimately ran that class and let us off scot free.

10-25-2022, 09:34 PM	#2
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,737 Likes: 2,813 Liked 2,489 Times in 699 Posts	Re: Lets Root Cause the Detriment of Class Racing Well let's talk about the 666 and 301 Low Deck "B" engine as mentioned earlier in this post: What is my qualification to address this comparison. Well, I have been racing Low Deck "B" engines since early 60's. Everyone out here has seen both the Roadrunners run well over a second under on the brakes in Heads Up during eliminations. They could show off by running 1.20 or more we the wanted to = But my kids are not Foolish enough to do that. Incidentally they have been through teardown at national races and passed. It is a given that the 301 and 666 are roughly even as produced from the factory. Now look at the two intakes is with the carbs off. One has the usual holes you would expect on most intakes while the 666 has huge oblong trenches going the length of the carb area. The 666 is easy and conducive to "Clean" and hard to tell if anything might be unusual while the 301 is a normal style intake. If you do not think a potentially larger intake plenum will not help air flow on this engine = well we don't live on the same planet. When all is said and done, I have found .04 and .05 faster performance back-to-back with the 666 in my testing. I have no reason to obfuscate the issue = we run a Thermoquad 73 combo now. If my post is too obscure to understand = PM me and I will be much more blunt about what is going on when not on Forum. Nearly a dozen years ago (3/29/2011) at a Div. 7 race in Vegas, I was at Heart Surgeon preparing for surgery and my boy and a friend took my new N/SA truck out to the track. a misclassed it as the wrong year = they did not know the truck and it was an honest mistake. When I arrived later in the day I immediately asked Pat to take my truck off the ladder and disqualify it. No one reported me or knew anything about the truck = I did myself. In the correct class and year, it would have been the incorrect (too light) weight! I was still awarded the additional 14 extra Horsepower. We indeed made the mistake and therefore we paid the price. We did not try to get out of it or attack anyone. If we had let it go in the wrong class it would have wreck several people's trucks that legitimately ran that class and let us off scot free. __________________ John Irving 741 Stock 741 Super Stock Last edited by GTX JOHN; 10-25-2022 at 09:55 PM.