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Don Carpenter · 02-14-2011, 03:19 AM

Jim,
I think you are on the right track with your idea. (Class) racing as we know it needs to evolve to the the next level. Since the manufacturers don't want to pay for bye runs or support class racing consistantly, why not have a qualified field as in comp and reward quaifiers with points or qualifing bonuses if contingency money is available. No need to consolidate or eliminate classes, qualify against the index and every one will know who has the fastest car in the class. No AHFS during quailifying so records could be set with out penalty. Limit two classes per season so there won't be the( killer combo of the week). I have done some calculations from Nitro Joes stats, and for the most part the average under the index is .7-.8 under in almost every NHRA class. Using those numbers, the event CIC would start at -.710-.800. Permanant HP adjustments would start at .810-..849 =1.25x HPfor that engine family and continue up the scale in .05 increments using the current AHFS tables. This would bring new combos in line in a very short time. For example, the CJ at the current HP would receive 38 HP for a 1.20 under run during eliminations. Of course permanent adjustments should go through tear down before HP is applied. Sportsman races should be run on a divisional level. Each one should be a Sportsnationals, at season end the top ten in each class from each division race at a central location for the national championship.
Of course NHRA is not going to embrace this since they would loose the sportsman dollars at national events. If any one at IHRA was on the ball, they would be capitalizing on the current state of unrest in Glendora. Maybe its time for a new organization!
I firmly believe we need to change the sportsman format if our performance based racing is to survive. Anything else is just a bracket race. And we can do that every week end at home! I know I'm going to hear from everyone on this board that can't run .700 under. My message to you is (INDEX RACING) if you want to compete at the big show! After looking at the Bradenton results, I would be concerened if I had a .90 car with electronics, you might become extinct real soon. As will stock and S/S if we keep riding a dead horse.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong!

PS The new cic rules in comp should also apply to my above proposal, to compensate for mine shaft conditions and end of the year index or HP adjustments. These numbers could all change if we loose the cars that can't run close to .7under that will raise the class average for the event and permanent triggers. Or we could throw out any runs below .65 under to figure new class averages and adjust the triggers accordingly to start with.

02-14-2011, 03:19 AM	#2
Don Carpenter Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ambridge Pa. Posts: 10 Likes: 14 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: How would you SAVE CLASS RACING ??? Jim, I think you are on the right track with your idea. (Class) racing as we know it needs to evolve to the the next level. Since the manufacturers don't want to pay for bye runs or support class racing consistantly, why not have a qualified field as in comp and reward quaifiers with points or qualifing bonuses if contingency money is available. No need to consolidate or eliminate classes, qualify against the index and every one will know who has the fastest car in the class. No AHFS during quailifying so records could be set with out penalty. Limit two classes per season so there won't be the( killer combo of the week). I have done some calculations from Nitro Joes stats, and for the most part the average under the index is .7-.8 under in almost every NHRA class. Using those numbers, the event CIC would start at -.710-.800. Permanant HP adjustments would start at .810-..849 =1.25x HPfor that engine family and continue up the scale in .05 increments using the current AHFS tables. This would bring new combos in line in a very short time. For example, the CJ at the current HP would receive 38 HP for a 1.20 under run during eliminations. Of course permanent adjustments should go through tear down before HP is applied. Sportsman races should be run on a divisional level. Each one should be a Sportsnationals, at season end the top ten in each class from each division race at a central location for the national championship. Of course NHRA is not going to embrace this since they would loose the sportsman dollars at national events. If any one at IHRA was on the ball, they would be capitalizing on the current state of unrest in Glendora. Maybe its time for a new organization! I firmly believe we need to change the sportsman format if our performance based racing is to survive. Anything else is just a bracket race. And we can do that every week end at home! I know I'm going to hear from everyone on this board that can't run .700 under. My message to you is (INDEX RACING) if you want to compete at the big show! After looking at the Bradenton results, I would be concerened if I had a .90 car with electronics, you might become extinct real soon. As will stock and S/S if we keep riding a dead horse. Just my opinion, I could be wrong! PS The new cic rules in comp should also apply to my above proposal, to compensate for mine shaft conditions and end of the year index or HP adjustments. These numbers could all change if we loose the cars that can't run close to .7under that will raise the class average for the event and permanent triggers. Or we could throw out any runs below .65 under to figure new class averages and adjust the triggers accordingly to start with.