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Old 03-29-2009, 09:29 AM   #87
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Default Re: We need a new "instant" trigger!

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees View Post
Alan, the only thing that I am asking for suggestions about in this thread is the instant trigger. Maybe I STILL haven't made myself clear. I have more that a few problems with the AHFS and the auto give backs but all I am trying to concern myself and anybody listening with right now is the "high end" (better words?) trigger. I think that we agree (imagine that) that any combo that goes -1.40 needs a hit. I think that we can ALSO agree that SOME -1.40 hits need to be reviewed by a knowledgable person or board of people (Henson). How about if the first -1.40 hit stays at 3.25% as it is right now but the second hit doubles it to 6.5%? Now that is a simple enough change to get NHRA to go along with if enough of us can agree to it.
In regards to your 425/427 and 255/350, I've always had the thought that when you give a combo to a lot of smart people it is going to get beat up. The 255/350 has had the snot beat out of it because it has been under a microscope for years. Heck, in the 80s Oldsmobile gave a bunch of real smart guys new Oldsmobiles and even the 307 (in stock) got beat up. NHRA recently gave it back HP and it's still not a great combo mainly (in my opinion) because most of the smart guys moved on. Right now both of the 375/396s, any 305s, the LT-1s and LS-1s are getting "smarted up".
Just wait until the new CJs and the Challengers get in the hands of more that 1 or 2 "smart guys". That is going to be when you will see why I am so concerned about the "high end" trigger. I don't want to wait 15 years for those combos to get in line.
Jimi, I hope that your Dad is doing well. I really miss you guys (but you're still a snot nosed kid!). I do enjoy bracket racing my stuff whenever I can (I was at the Beav yesterday) but I don't want to do it at NHRA events (ya snot nosed kid).
And Captain Jack, "The AHFS will NEVER work" (your words)! Well it seems to work pretty well for you. AHFS (automatic help for slugs) gave you back 15 HP as I recall. It seems to have made your combo work. And as you're the only one running your combo you can pretty much control your own destiny. I just thought that I should bring that to your attention.
Again Billy, if you lower the trigger, it will hit the common and popular cars FIRST. If you are worried about Cobra Jets and Challengers, count them up, and see how many there are. Do they outnumber LT-1 and LS-1 cars? No. Do they outnumber 396 and 427 cars? No. Do they outnumber early Hemi and 440 cars? No. Do they outnumber the Ford big block cars? Not right now. So who would get hit first? Who slows down first, because they get hit? Keep slowing them down and who is there with enough power to make the other cars have to run for a win?

Simple math and logic here Billy. It takes a 1.2 under car or better to have any chance to make a 1.4 under or better car have to show any of its potential. Hit the 1.2 under car and it becomes a 1 under car, then who will make the 1.4 or better under car run? Lower the trigger to 1.2 under and the guy with the 1.2 under car won't even run 1.2 under 90% of the time or better, in order to avoid getting hit.

Lower the trigger and math says that odds are you hit 9 out of 10 cars running 1.3 under or less before you hit the few 1.4+ under cars you're after. Hit the ones you're not after once and the ones you are after will never have to show their hand.

The law of averages is against your idea of lowering the trigger to get a few fast cars slowed down.
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