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Nick Heath 12-18-2014 08:48 PM
HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015
 
http://www.nhraracer.com/default.asp

AHFS Changes:
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To decrease the potential for horsepower/index adjustments when favorable atmospheric (i.e. “mineshaft”) and/or track conditions may have contributed to extraordinary performance the NHRA has developed a system to protect the racers’ horsepower/indexes. If at the conclusion of qualifying the first competitor in the bottom half of the field is -.850 seconds or more under the class index, the Q and E Data will not be used for the mid-year and year end reviews. This will only apply to qualified fields of 32 or more cars. Automatic changes due to runs of -1.20 or more under the respective index will still count at these events. At any event where the Factory Showdown is held, no runs by Showdown cars will be used in the mineshaft calculations.
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In addition, the combination must NOT make two runs of 0.650 or quicker or any run 0.850 or quicker during the past two (2) review periods, for the review to continue. Once a combination receives a horsepower increase it is not eligible for a decrease for three (3) years.

Bobby Fazio 12-19-2014 10:36 AM
Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Heath (Post 455633)
Hmm, if these don't go in effect until Jan 1, 2015 then my math says I should have gotten 3hp back this last review.

Bryan Worner 12-19-2014 12:09 PM
Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015
 
This Mineshaft rule will almost never come into play in Super Stock! Look at all of the races in "good air" last year, where has the top of the bottom half been .850 under? I saw Indy was "mineshaft" but that's about it.

My suggestion was, "if it's mineshaft for Comp, it's mineshaft for all categories!" Others had that opinion also, but I guess the powers that be thought that would be too simple.

Marty Buth 12-19-2014 01:37 PM
Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015
 
Does this mean that the Indy U.S. Nationals will be considered "mine shaft" conditions? It took more than .850 under the index to make the 128 car field.

Nitro Joe Jackson 12-19-2014 02:01 PM
Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015
 
just glad I don't have to keep track of who is getting hp'ed anymore way to confusing.

Mike Carr 12-19-2014 02:29 PM
Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015
 
Marty, I would say yes. Only the 1-.200 (excluding FSS) penalty is in effect there, the way I read it.

Bryan, I would agree. Mineshaft for Comp = mineshaft for everyone. But Comp uses -.61 under for the first car in the bottom half (11 in a 20 car field,. 17 in a 32 car field, etc). I'm not sure what number would be fair to use. -.61 would make a lot of races 'mineshaft'. -.85, like you said, only Indy might make that cut and 1-2 others. It took -.882 to MAKE the show at Indy in Stock. Not sure what a fair number would be; maybe -.75. Just some more fun stuff to debate before Pomona.

Mark Yacavone 12-19-2014 03:16 PM
Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015
 
No HP hits at Indy..means no HP hits for factory cars.
Got it ? Good

LDFJR 12-19-2014 03:32 PM
Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015
 
I got it Mark!

Bryan Worner 12-20-2014 03:11 AM
Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Carr (Post 455707)
Marty, I would say yes. Only the 1-.200 (excluding FSS) penalty is in effect there, the way I read it.

Bryan, I would agree. Mineshaft for Comp = mineshaft for everyone. But Comp uses -.61 under for the first car in the bottom half (11 in a 20 car field,. 17 in a 32 car field, etc). I'm not sure what number would be fair to use. -.61 would make a lot of races 'mineshaft'. -.85, like you said, only Indy might make that cut and 1-2 others. It took -.882 to MAKE the show at Indy in Stock. Not sure what a fair number would be; maybe -.75. Just some more fun stuff to debate before Pomona.
What I meant was if the "Mineshaft" conditions are met for Comp at a race, then Stock and Super Stock should be considered mineshaft also. So if that Comp number is -.61, then regardless of what the bottom of the top half runs in Stock and SS, they are still mineshaft. But there would still have to be a minimum number for Stock and SS for when Comp is not contested. I looked at races like the 4 Wides, where there were definitely mineshaft conditions, yet the -.85 number was not hit.

countrypuppy4865 12-20-2014 10:49 AM
Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015
 
Byron, I know super stock is going to be tough. Hopefully they will make a change. This is a step in the right direction. The way I like at it, races like the sports nationals in Belle Rose and some nationals with class will benefit. Last year the split for stock at Belle Rose was - .817. I think some people that may have not wanted to try for class to avoid triggers may turn it up and it may raise the numbers a bit to make more races "mineshaft."


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