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Dick Butler 12-13-2012 09:18 AM

Modified return?
 
Watching and reading the posts on the "Bogus HP ratings" . Everyone is well aware of the fact NHRA cannot, will not, or cares not to make the field level based on HP ratings.
I realize most are "born and bred" Stock or SS racers where ratings WERE the answer.
Why not move more and more to the Modified classes currently present? No advantage to anyone who builds one over another.
Why not support the lb/cubic inch class of your choice and help push the level field by leaving it to the "Bogus Hp cars" and still racing on a more equal basis?

SS/GSI 12-13-2012 11:55 AM

Re: Modified return?
 
Weight to cubic inch is for Comp, bad enough we have to deal with the cars already within the SS ranks, jut my 2cents. NHRA doesn't mind experimenting with new classes (9.0,10.0,11.0, pro ET, snowmobiles,etc...) why don't they try a nostalgia SS and Modified/Modern SS class splitting real SSerz + traditional RWD conversion GT cars from the modified, front wheel conversion, new cars and/or EFI 1990-20xx cars?

Steve Williams 12-13-2012 10:52 PM

Re: Modified return?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SS/GSI (Post 360622)
Weight to cubic inch is for Comp, bad enough we have to deal with the cars already within the SS ranks, jut my 2cents. NHRA doesn't mind experimenting with new classes (9.0,10.0,11.0, pro ET, snowmobiles,etc...) why don't they try a nostalgia SS and Modified/Modern SS class splitting real SSerz + traditional RWD conversion GT cars from the modified, front wheel conversion, new cars and/or EFI 1990-20xx cars?

What is wrong with weight to cubic inch Super Stockers? I think that the limited teardown inspection appeals to many racers in these classes. What do they check these days? Weight, fuel, trans brake wiring and carb size? The thing I have learned over the last 35 years is that complaining rarely ever gets something changed. It happens less than bigfoot sightings. The people that care about bogus HP ratings are not employed by the NHRA. It is you and they don't really care for you, the racer. They want your money, not your opinion (even if it is a popular opinion that makes sense). Listening stops once the money exchanges hands. Expect this to continue until you quit racing. There have been some dandy people that have worked for NHRA and there are still some of the good guys around. Enjoy the good guys that actually have some knowledge right now, because they seem to be in short supply nowadays and more leave every year it seems.

Michael Colaluca 12-13-2012 11:45 PM

Re: Modified return?
 
Weight per cubic inch with a spec cylinder head... Keep it simple and have the cost controlled. Talk about a dream!

Billy Nees 12-14-2012 08:40 AM

Re: Modified return?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Colaluca (Post 360754)
a spec cylinder head...

You mean like in Stock? Never work. The only way something like this can be kept under control would be to restrict the size of the throttle body and restrict the outlet size of the collector.

Michael Beard 12-14-2012 11:44 AM

Re: Modified return?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 360769)
You mean like in Stock? Never work. The only way something like this can be kept under control would be to restrict the size of the throttle body and restrict the outlet size of the collector.

Funny, I was discussing that with some circle track racers at Indy... some series have restricted the exhaust, but didn't sound like anyone's limited both the intake *and* the exhaust together.

buzzinhalfdozen 12-14-2012 04:40 PM

Re: Modified return?
 
I've never understood the dislike of the lbs. per cube cars. Though I'm sure there are some traditional super stock racers who look down their noses at them I believe the GT cars were in the same boat at one time. Hey I just enjoy the class... and enjoy having a place to race.

Michael Kilduff 12-14-2012 06:44 PM

Re: Modified return?
 
I'm pretty sure Herb McCandless Jr., was running a heads up class at Piedmont 5-6 years ago that used exhaust restriction and intake restriction. When I talked to him on the phone about it he said the cars were running right around 7.40s and had decent participation .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 360791)
Funny, I was discussing that with some circle track racers at Indy... some series have restricted the exhaust, but didn't sound like anyone's limited both the intake *and* the exhaust together.


randy wilson 12-17-2012 11:54 AM

Re: Modified return?
 
Get real! A spec head works great for the circle track boys, and the stands are packed with 1,500 to 2,000 spectators a night. Let Brodix be the head tech, and there you go. Hard to hide anything with the guys who design, and cast those heads. Pounds per cube would work under that scenario, It's high time they did something that put the spectator back in the stands. Anyone who's not smart enough to run competitive under those simple rules, really has no bussiness running a pounds per cube class. This other stuff they pretend to police, and the high costs in todays world, is killing any pretense of class racing. Just my thoughts. But with the way the economy is going now, I doubt anything will work. NHRA has people in charge that has no idea what actually makes dragracing interesting anymore.

Ed Wright 12-17-2012 12:06 PM

Re: Modified return?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen (Post 360833)
I've never understood the dislike of the lbs. per cube cars. Though I'm sure there are some traditional super stock racers who look down their noses at them I believe the GT cars were in the same boat at one time. Hey I just enjoy the class... and enjoy having a place to race.

If I had any sense (I don't) I would have built a hood scoop SS car going in. If I weren't so close to the end I would make it one now. Never enjoyed anything as much as my old C/SM Camaro in Modified eliminator. Cylinder heads were restricted enough a poor boy could afford one, yet other rules weren't so restrictive you couldn't experiment in other areas. Cylinder head restrictions are the big thing, imho.


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