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Larry Hill 10-04-2010 08:22 PM

Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
After 1000 plus miles of travel and individual meetings with three of the top engine builders in the country the consensus is: I do not have a chance of winning any heads up runs with the new CJ or DP cars.

The answer for me is the F/X class for those "New Cars"

I, Danny G., Bruce B., and many others will not live long enough for the AHFS to level the playing field. I probably should include Linda Louie but she doesn't have a clue about Class Racing.

Larry

Conway Witten 10-04-2010 09:53 PM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
how about giving some horsepower back to the other cars in the classes that the new cars run in?

Andys dad 10-04-2010 10:03 PM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
I figured out the best solution at least for me.

Sell my car cheap

Get a loan

Buy a Drag Pak V10


Its time to upgrade to the 21st century


I am going to submit my application tomorrow

johnny shot 10-04-2010 10:26 PM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Sucks to be you Larry! In the past you could not win because the fast guys were bending the rules, or outright cheating. Now you can't win because of the new cars. If you think you can't win, YOU CAN'T WIN. New cars break, drivers snooze, go red, fail fuel check, don't make weight or maybe even get bounced in tech, the list is endless. They can, have been and will be beaten by guys who have not interviewed your 3 top engine builders. But, you say it's a no win situation for you. So, NHRA creates an F/X class, and you are still stuck with those pesky scofflaws in the upper classes. I'm not saying the new cars are right, but I certainly don't think this would be the end of your fault finding missions.

Dottie DiBartolomeo 10-05-2010 07:35 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 214650)
After 1000 plus miles of travel and individual meetings with three of the top engine builders in the country the consensus is: I do not have a chance of winning any heads up runs with the new CJ or DP cars.


Larry

Larry

It's not the car it's the driver. There is always a chance, it's what you call luck.

Greg Hill 10-05-2010 08:50 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dottie DiBartolomeo (Post 214705)
Larry

It's not the car it's the driver. There is always a chance, it's what you call luck.

Yea, right. How many races you gonna win when the guy has you covered by 5 tenths or more. Larry's car is not exactly slow, I've seen him go low 10 teens in A which is pretty decent.

M&M Motorsports 10-05-2010 10:00 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Larry,
Like you and many others, we are faced with the same situation. We have to, however, believe that NHRA is not only aware of this dilemma, but also actively working on changes for the 2011 season. Comments on this site have helped to raise awareness and facilitate the upcoming changes. However, at this point, we need to be patient and await whatever changes are coming. At that point, each of us can assess the impact those changes will have on our individual combinations. It is important that we collectively try to move in a positive direction. It is best for us as individuals and our sport as a whole.

Sites like this allow free expression of many different views, but I am saddened to see the personal attacks on you and others, rather than addressing the actual issue. This has a tendency to reduce our effectiveness, as a group, with those (like NHRA) who monitor this site. Just remember the immortal words of John Wayne -- "A big mouth don't make a big man".

Jeff Lee 10-05-2010 10:06 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny shot (Post 214679)
Sucks to be you Larry! In the past you could not win because the fast guys were bending the rules, or outright cheating. Now you can't win because of the new cars. If you think you can't win, YOU CAN'T WIN. New cars break, drivers snooze, go red, fail fuel check, don't make weight or maybe even get bounced in tech, the list is endless. They can, have been and will be beaten by guys who have not interviewed your 3 top engine builders. But, you say it's a no win situation for you. So, NHRA creates an F/X class, and you are still stuck with those pesky scofflaws in the upper classes. I'm not saying the new cars are right, but I certainly don't think this would be the end of your fault finding missions.

Excellent analysis! And while Larry should not take it personal, I think this summarizes the attitude of a LOT of racers, or at least the racers who post online.
And Andy's Dad has it right also. If you think it's the way to go, go that direction with a positive attitude!

Michael Beard 10-05-2010 10:19 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
If you believe in that much luck, may as well play the lottery. :rolleyes:

Quote:

We have to, however, believe that NHRA is not only aware of this dilemma, but also actively working on changes for the 2011 season. Comments on this site have helped to raise awareness and facilitate the upcoming changes.
I don't believe that NHRA is that blind.

Dion Hildebrandt 10-05-2010 11:26 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...ocksuper-stock

This was posted earlier on another thread, in alot of ways sounds like a garbage truck beeping as it backs up. I think its great to see factory involvement BUT the playing fields should be level or at least a lot more reasonable. This topic has been beaten to death but it affects everyone regardless if we all want to admit that point or not.


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