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Fred Popov 04-22-2009 02:03 PM

AA/S and AA/SA Index is set too low...
 
Seems to me that the index for AA is set too low compared to the other indexes. I did a little calculating and it looks like it will take a lot more horsepower to run in AA compared to the other classes. For example a car that fits in AA, A, B, or C will qualify much better in A, B, and C than in AA. Here is my comparison table:

Class___Weight____Index____Horsepower**
AA/S____3000_____10.90_____ 611
A/S_____3200_____11.25______535
B/S_____3400_____11.50______530
C/S_____3600_____11.65______537

** Horsepower required to run 1 second under the index. (Wallace Racing Calculator used, [did not add driver weight] )
Note: I used 400 HP for the factored power to figure the Class.

As you can see the horsepower required for A, B, and C is in the 530’s range but it’s 611 for AA. So if an A/S could run 1 sec under and wanted to remove weight to step up to AA, that car would only be able to run 10.05 or 0.85 under the index.

Seems to me that the AA/S and AA/SA indexes should be 11.05 and 11.10….Any thoughts???
Maybe it’s this way to keep the high horsepower cars like the new CJ from being factored out of stock???

BLAZER 04-22-2009 02:29 PM

Re: AA/S and AA/SA Index is set too low...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Popov (Post 116793)
Seems to me that the index for AA is set too low compared to the other indexes. I did a little calculating and it looks like it will take a lot more horsepower to run in AA compared to the other classes. For example a car that fits in AA, A, B, or C will qualify much better in A, B, and C than in AA. Here is my comparison table:

Class___Weight____Index____Horsepower**
AA/S____3000_____10.90_____ 611
A/S_____3200_____11.25______535
B/S_____3400_____11.50______530
C/S_____3600_____11.65______537

** Horsepower required to run 1 second under the index. (Wallace Racing Calculator used, [did not add driver weight] )
Note: I used 400 HP for the factored power to figure the Class.

As you can see the horsepower required for A, B, and C is in the 530’s range but it’s 611 for AA. So if an A/S could run 1 sec under and wanted to remove weight to step up to AA, that car would only be able to run 10.05 or 0.85 under the index.

Seems to me that the AA/S and AA/SA indexes should be 11.05 and 11.10….Any thoughts???
Maybe it’s this way to keep the high horsepower cars like the new CJ from being factored out of stock???

AA class is for BALLS-OUT,FOOT THRU THE FLOOR,LET THE GD CAR RIP,SEND THE FRONT END TO THE MOON,TAKE THE TREE OUT,LET THE PYLONS FLY,GO TO THE LAST TURN-OFF,SKIP THE SCALE,GO TO THE PITS HAVE A BEER AND TALK ABOUT YOUR 9 SECOND RUN--OK

GUMP 04-22-2009 04:39 PM

Re: AA/S and AA/SA Index is set too low...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwheat (Post 116797)
AA class is for BALLS-OUT,FOOT THRU THE FLOOR,LET THE GD CAR RIP,SEND THE FRONT END TO THE MOON,TAKE THE TREE OUT,LET THE PYLONS FLY,GO TO THE LAST TURN-OFF,SKIP THE SCALE,GO TO THE PITS HAVE A BEER AND TALK ABOUT YOUR 9 SECOND RUN--OK

Exactly!

Well said.

Ed Wright 04-22-2009 04:59 PM

Re: AA/S and AA/SA Index is set too low...
 
Actually, the rest are set too high.

Chad Rhodes 04-22-2009 05:01 PM

Re: AA/S and AA/SA Index is set too low...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwheat (Post 116797)
AA class is for BALLS-OUT,FOOT THRU THE FLOOR,LET THE GD CAR RIP,SEND THE FRONT END TO THE MOON,TAKE THE TREE OUT,LET THE PYLONS FLY,GO TO THE LAST TURN-OFF,SKIP THE SCALE,GO TO THE PITS HAVE A BEER AND TALK ABOUT YOUR 9 SECOND RUN--OK

Paging Kevin Cradduck.........

actually, except for the skipping the scales part, its about right

Fred Popov 04-22-2009 05:27 PM

Re: AA/S and AA/SA Index is set too low...
 
BWheat and GUMP
So are you trying to tell me that the AA guys are the only ones going all out and A and B are holding back just to not get hit with horsepower. You mean most are sand-bagging until a heads up race. Come on...I don't think so. If that was the case then all AA would be at the top of the qualifying sheet and all AA heads up runs would result in added factored horsepower for their cars. In fact, I rarely see AA class near the top of a qualifying list because of the unfavorable index.

Stocker 449 04-22-2009 05:34 PM

Re: AA/S and AA/SA Index is set too low...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 116818)
Actually, the rest are set too high.

I gotta agree with him on this one.

Jim Woods 04-22-2009 05:56 PM

Re: AA/S and AA/SA Index is set too low...
 
LOL Chad, He is always impressive on those wheels up launches

Alan Roehrich 04-22-2009 05:57 PM

Re: AA/S and AA/SA Index is set too low...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Popov (Post 116821)
BWheat and GUMP
So are you trying to tell me that the AA guys are the only ones going all out and A and B are holding back just to not get hit with horsepower. You mean most are sand-bagging until a heads up race. Come on...I don't think so. If that was the case then all AA would be at the top of the qualifying sheet and all AA heads up runs would result in added factored horsepower for their cars. In fact, I rarely see AA class near the top of a qualifying list because of the unfavorable index.

Fred, those of us who asked for AA specifically requested the 10.90 index. We did so for a reason. We knew in advance it would almost certainly prevent a AA car from being a number one qualifier, and we also knew it would make it very difficult to qualify at Indy. We wanted it exactly the way it is.

Alan Roehrich 04-22-2009 06:00 PM

Re: AA/S and AA/SA Index is set too low...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Woods (Post 116831)
LOL Chad, He is always impressive on those wheels up launches

Yeah, but you guys don't have to fix the broke stuff. There's some ugly pieces under that thing now.


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