Combine?????
 

Why not combine the sticks and the automatics in stock and superstock?.
Like they have already done in the FWD classes. Just give the autos a weight break.
Seems to work for me.
This would nearly cut the classes in half, A lot less singles.Everyone should be happy then. RIGHT?

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I dont think that will work because in the HP classes, SS/A-G, the autos are a whole lot faster, but in the lower HP classes the stick shift cars are alot faster, I dont think this will ever work!!!


Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

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Might as well combine them. The AHFS factors sticks and autos differently anyway.

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Leave them alone, not only are the HP different but also the index's.

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Make each class a heads up run against the current index.

A/S 11.25 vs A/SA 11.30. Just give the Automatic .05 head start at the tree and then run to the stripe.

or run all class eliminations on a .500 pro tree and let the driver have more involvement in the runs.
You can make up a tenth on a pro tree, but not on a sportsman tree.

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I'm all for combining them, but not a weight disadvantage to the stick cars. With todays automatic transmissions there is not much of a difference anyway. With a Pro trans and radials the automatics are sometimes faster than the sticks, not to mention can usually get a better hold on the track and they get to leave off a button...

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This seems like a good idea when you first think about it. But then reality settles in and all of the problems with this idea begin to pop up. nhra and ihra have kept the two separate because they know what a nightmare looks like and they are smart enough to stay away from it.

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This subject seems to come up every year about this time. Combining the sticks and autos would create a paper reduction of 50%. But, in reality (race day) it would be far less. There are currently entries in 10 stick classes at Indy or 22% of combined stick and auto classes (A-W). But, 9 of the 10 entries are in the 1/2 pound classes. That same percentage could be achieved by eliminating the 1/2 pound breaks(except for AA/S) in favor of 1 pound breaks (8-24 pounds). And, not have all the problems associated with trying to combine the Sticks and Autos.

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Think back at your old street racing days. There may have been some discussion on who got the half-car length lead because one had a big block and the other guy had a small block. Maybe other factors came into play. But I don't remember ever hearing about a head start being given because he had a slush box!
Detroit placed certain engines in certain cars and usually allowed both a stick or a/t trans. Let 'em race that way!
No agenda here, I'm a slug in SS/H compared to the ultra-competitive SS/HA crowd. I'm all for more heads up races even if I'm the looser. Better for the sport in my opinion.

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This subject has come up before. I think NHRA is looking closely at SS/AH where this exists. Heads up at different weights. Seems to be pretty close there.