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Todd Geisler 10-18-2021 09:38 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Rear housing back under the car after completing tubs & rear tin work.

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Todd Geisler 10-18-2021 09:43 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Time to move up front and begin the carbon nose install. Tree fabrication first.

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With mocking up the front end I realized the carb & intake just wasn't going to clear the 4" cowl hood. I don't want a scoop, don't want a larger cowl and don't want a hole in the hood.

This was a tough decision but after some research I decided to convert the car to EFI. The throttle body is 1" shorter than the 1250 dominator and a different intake will be 1.4" shorter than the current sv565 intake. Not a cheap change half the way through the build, but I wasn't willing to alter the hood and the EFI swap will have other benefits once the car is running again.

Todd Geisler 10-18-2021 09:46 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
One thing that hurt the most was the Racepak dash mount tuned out so nice and clean. But with swapping to EFI, I had to make a clean break and change the dash display as well.

The EFI system I will be using is the Holley Dominator and the 7" display.

The opening in the carbon dash will need some carbon work to close the larger racepak hole in for a clean reveal.

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Todd Geisler 10-18-2021 09:49 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
At this point in the build I was starting to have troubled keeping motivated staying after work hours and trying to be productive till 8 or 9 pm.

I decided it was time to take the car home and finish the rest of the fabrication there.

Front end wasn't finished mounted, but good enough to set the car on the ground, roll it outside and see how it would look.

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Todd Geisler 10-18-2021 09:51 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Back home...

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First I gotta clean up and organize this mess before I can get back to work.

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Todd Geisler 10-18-2021 09:55 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Next project is to complete the front end mounts.

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Todd Geisler 10-18-2021 09:59 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
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Todd Geisler 10-18-2021 10:04 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
One project I knew was coming was to build headers. To be able to do so at home I needed to buy a couple tools.

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Portable band saw with table.

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12" disc sander.

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Working on mounting various components.

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Todd Geisler 10-18-2021 10:06 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Reinstalling the VIN tag.

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Weight bar tabs

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Todd Geisler 10-18-2021 10:09 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Stainless brake lines for the rear.

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Remote reservoir lines.

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Mark Yacavone 10-18-2021 11:10 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd Geisler (Post 650200)
We have about 4 tracks in the area they will run 8:50 10:00 and 11:50 indexes. Heads up pro tree. Atco, Cecil, and maple grove are some tracks doing it. Also pro dial is becoming a popular class. If you notice all the indexes are right where the brakes for more rules are i.e. 1150 is the cut off for a roll bar. 10 flat is a cut off for a lot of the 9.99 Certs, and 850 is the cut off of many other certifications i.e. roll cage etc.
most of these classes do not include electronics either, I run the 1150 index with my street strip car and I know we are not allowed throttle stops or delay boxes. The class started out was supposed to be all streetcar as usual most of these classes have morphed into something a little different

^^^This^^^

I race at Cecil during the Street Car Shooutout monthly series which runs April through November.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I was just wondering what else that car could be used for. Of course, I don't follow much, besides NHRA S/SS and a bit of Comp now that we have a team member involved ;-)

Todd Geisler 10-19-2021 07:36 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 650311)
^^^This^^^

I race at Cecil during the Street Car Shooutout monthly series which runs April through November.

Thanks. I was just wondering what else that car could be used for. Of course, I don't follow much, besides NHRA S/SS and a bit of Comp now that we have a team member involved ;-)[/QUOTE]

This car would be legal for various classes like brackets, Top Sportsman, index, X275...

Cage will cert for 25.2 (good to 6.0 at 3000 lbs) as well as 25.3 (good to 6.50 at 3600 lbs).

Wayne Scraba 10-19-2021 10:14 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
What a great car....and your workmanship is fabulous! 🤩

Todd Geisler 10-19-2021 04:12 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
The next project was to build headers. Did everything I could to get out of having to build them myself, but in the end I had to force myself to do it. Hated every minute of it except the welding.

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One side tacked in place...


Simple fixture I made to hole the collectors in place.

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Todd Geisler 10-19-2021 04:14 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Passenger side...

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Todd Geisler 10-19-2021 04:16 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Welding time...

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Greg West 10-19-2021 04:30 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Beautiful workmanship. Just curious what brand of welder you use at home?

Todd Geisler 10-19-2021 04:35 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg West (Post 650369)
Beautiful workmanship. Just curious what brand of welder you use at home?

Thank you.

I have an Everlast PowerTig 255ext water cooled. I took it to the shop when doing the tube work so everything on the car was done with this welder.

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FireSale 10-20-2021 12:52 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
T.I.G.H.T I would not like to be your starter.

Glenn Briglio 10-20-2021 01:40 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Did you make those collectors ?

Todd Geisler 10-20-2021 03:53 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSale (Post 650402)
T.I.G.H.T I would not like to be your starter.

Not sure what you mean about the starter.

If you mean header tubes and the starter, the closest tube is at least 2 or 3 inches away. can take the starter on and off and connect/disconnect wires without removing any header tubes.

Todd Geisler 10-20-2021 03:55 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio (Post 650406)
Did you make those collectors ?

No, the collectors and mufflers are from Stainless Headers. I just had to weld the muffler to the collector and add the turn-up at the exit.

The flanges and primary tubes are from SPD.

FireSale 10-21-2021 03:26 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd Geisler (Post 650413)
Not sure what you mean about the starter.

If you mean header tubes and the starter, the closest tube is at least 2 or 3 inches away. can take the starter on and off and connect/disconnect wires without removing any header tubes.

It looked tighter in the photo I was looking at. The sweep of the pipes gives a lot of clearance.

Troy Henderson 10-22-2021 04:57 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Beautiful work, thanks for posting!

monte385 10-22-2021 09:35 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Nice work Todd, I always followed your Malibu build on Team Chevelle. Sure a shame about that car, but glad you came out of it OK.

Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 08:17 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Troy Henderson (Post 650514)
Beautiful work, thanks for posting!

Thanks Troy!

Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 08:19 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by monte385 (Post 650529)
Nice work Todd, I always followed your Malibu build on Team Chevelle. Sure a shame about that car, but glad you came out of it OK.

Thank you. Feel lucky to be alive after that accident.

Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 08:21 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Next item on the build was to finish up the stainless brake lines in the front. This was really my first time trying stainless which is a bit more of a challenge than your ordinary mild steel hard line. The routing makes this even more of a challenge, but I think they came out pretty well, just very tedious and time consuming.

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Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 08:25 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
My engine builders son does CNC machine work out of their shop so I was able to talk him into making me this custom firewall mount sensor block for the EFI system. This allows the sensors to stay on the inside of the car to keep from passing so many wires through the firewall and the sensors then get plumbed on the engine compartment side.

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Front suspension limiters came in.

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Chassis tag installed.

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Window new wrapped up.

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Exhaust support rods completed.

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And starting to mock up the radiator and fuel system.

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Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 08:28 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Davis didn't have the radiator I wanted (with -16 bungs) in stock and it would have been 8 to 12 weeks wait, but they did have one in stock with 1 1/4" nipples, so I ordered that and swapped the fittings out.

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Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 08:30 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Fuel cell safety loop and mount.

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Along with the fuel pump mount.

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Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 08:37 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Space up front was pretty tight so I had to get a little creative to fit the fuel system.

Had a customer show me this style pre-filter which helped save a bunch of room and plumbing. It's a bulkhead filter that goes inside the fuel cell.

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Post filter support/mount.

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Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 08:43 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
After a very long wait, the new throttle body finally came in from Wilson so I could cut the hole in the firewall for the throttle rod.

This thing is like a piece of art.

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The old intake isn't gonna allow the throttle body to clear my 4" cowl hood, so I'm changing from the sv565 intake to its predecessor, the 2927 which will need a fair amount of machine work to fit due to the 2 axis cylinder head dowel shift on my engine. Will also be ported to try and match the performance of the old intake.

Here's a picture a buddy sent comparing the old vs new height.

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Mocking up the new intake with the restrictor plate I run.

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Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 08:47 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Trans overflow canister fabricated & mounted.

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Radiator support rod, coolant overflow and vacuum pump puke can mounted.

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Built the car with a mockup th400 case so I did a quick mockup with my actual trans, my Coan 400xlt that RPM has serviced in the past.

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Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 08:50 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Had to get a racing buddy to come over and repair the worst of the body damage. We also removed the gas fill door since the tub ran through the middle of it.

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Passenger side was a bit beat up too, now all fixed up.

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Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 09:01 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
At this point the car was mostly complete so I wanted to weigh the car to see where the weight might be and to see if the weight bias worked out as planned.

The class I run doesn't get radial prep, but I've raced on a radial for nearly 27 years. So I put myself at a bit of a disadvantage being on the radial. Knowing this I can't run the front end as nose heavy as a heads up car on fly paper prep, so I was shooting to be about 54% on the nose which I knew was gonna be a challenge with an iron block BBC under the hood. For this reason I moved the main hoop back which moved my driving position back, and used all carbon fiber body parts in the front. Will also have a carbon roof skin.

I am keeping the stock rear hatch and glass as well as keeping stock steel doors with factory glass and power windows.

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I then stacked everything in the car to simulate race weight.

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And this is the result, with and without driver. Ignor the corner weights being jacked up as my floor isn't perfectly flat and I use scale leveling pads when scaling the car to setup the suspension.

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It wound up a little heavier than expected, but given the stock doors and hatch, plus I built the back half heavier with 1 1/2 x .065 for weight in the rear, it's not a huge surprise its a little heavy. But for my class, we have a 2800 lb minimum weight, so I'm still gonna have to add 150-200 lbs ballast to be race ready.

Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 09:12 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Can't forget the chute mount...

Again, due to space constraints I had to get a little creative here too. I dislike the 3/8" or 1/2" tube mounts for spring launcher chutes. I used a mono-stalk mount on the Malibu but had to change the mounting configuration for the Mustang.

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Chute cable strain relief.

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Todd Geisler 10-23-2021 09:16 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
That pretty much was it for the fabrication on the car itself, but one last fabrication project was to build a transport dolly so the car could be sent for powder coating, then body/paint work.

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And strip the car down bare...

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jims5600 10-24-2021 12:53 PM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Todd thanks so much for posting the progress of your new ride.
I can't say enough how impressed Iam with your work.
Jimmy

Todd Geisler 10-25-2021 08:10 AM

Re: 8.50 index build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jims5600 (Post 650631)
Todd thanks so much for posting the progress of your new ride.
I can't say enough how impressed Iam with your work.
Jimmy

Thanks for the kind words Jimmy.

Glad to see some are enjoying following the build. I believe it's something not many get to see in detail to get a feel for how much time and work it takes to build a car from scratch.


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