Rambler All-American
 

Yes,,,,,,,,

Here they come, the 1967 Rambler American

* Rambler American Model 440 2-Door Hardtop
* Rambler American Model 440 2-Door Sedan
* Rambler Rogue 2-Door Hardtop

#2850 lbs.

THE NOW CARS

The performance version, available with;

290/225 HP 4-Barrel
or
343/280 HP 4-Barrel 'Typhoon' (Very rare)

If with the 343/280 HP 'Typhoon Engine', the cars were called 'Super American'

Some nice options;
* Borg-Warner T-10 (4-Speed) (Wide-Ratio w/2.64 1st Gear)
* Hurst Shifter
* Twin-Grip Differential (w/3.54 Gears)
* Optional Gears (3.73, 4.10, 4.44, 5.00)


http://www.google.com/url?source=img...U-QBCjNLel8xkw

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1967 Rambler American,,,,,,,

Possibly the 'First Budget Econo-Racer'

1967 Rambler American Model #440 2-Door/Hardtop

Base Price; $2319

Options;
* 290/225 HP 'N' Code engine,,,,,,,,$151
* 343/280 HP 'Z' Code engine,,,,,,,,$204

* Borg-Warner T-10 (4-Speed),,,,,,,$185 (Standard with the 343 engine)
* Twin-Grip Differential,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$36
* 3.54 Gears,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,n/c
* Handling Package,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$11,,,(includes; Heavy-Duty Springs and 14" x 5.5" Wheel-Rims)
* Heavy-Duty Shocks,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$4
* Tachometer,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$ 37
* Sport Steering Wheel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$15
* Appearance Group A,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$76,,,,(includes; Rocker Moldings, Exterior Trim and Turbo Cast Wheel Covers)
* HD Cooling Package,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$16,,,,(includes; Heavy-Duty Radiator, Fan Shroud, Flex-Fan)
* Heavy-Duty 70-Amp Battery,,,,,,,,,,,,$7
* Dual Exhaust,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$26

Dealer Installed Options;
* Gear Sets (3.73, 4.10, 4.44, 5.00)
* Over-the-Counter 'Performance Package'

Note: 1967 production numbers. 4994 Rambler American Model #440 2-Door/Hardtops were built.

Note: Only 986 of all Rambler Americans (Model #220, Model #440, Rogue) were built with T-10 4-Speeds.

Note: The 343/280 HP 'Z' Code 'Typhoon' engine was available after January 1, 1967.

Note: The 343/280 HP 'Z' Code 'Typhoon Engine') was only available in the 2-Door Rambler Americans (Model 440 and Rogue) ca

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You know I've never heard of the Rambler 'Typhoon' name used until just recently, but I've heard of the name Rambler 'Rogue' model before...so who here had one of these cars back then.

http://www.adclassix.com/images/67amcramblerrogue.jpg

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If you go back and check the 1957 Rambler Rebel had a 327 with EFI as a option it was the same Bendix system that Chrysler had as a option on the 300-C very few ever built nothing but trouble.

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From a Google search

Although AMC was best known for their reliable economy cars, this special model came with a bigger engine than anything found at Chevrolet, Ford, or Plymouth - the Rambler's most popular competitors at that time. The Rebel's US$2,786 MSRP base price was economical for the amount of power provided. It was the fastest stock American sedan, according to Motor Trend.[3] All Rebels came with a manual (with overdrive unit) or an automatic transmission, as well as other performance enhancements such as a dual exhaust system, heavy-duty suspension with Gabriel (brand) shock absorbers, and front sway bar. The Rebel was capable of 0 to 60 mph (0-97 km/h) acceleration in just 7.5 seconds with its standard 255 hp (190.2 kW) carbureted engine. The car's light monocoque (unibody) construction afforded a power-to-weight ratio of about 13 pounds per horsepower, a better ratio than other 1957 model year automobiles and a contrast to Volkswagen's 45.[5]

The Rebel's engine also differed from the 327s installed in the 1957 Ambassador and Hudson Hornet models because it used mechanical valve lifters and a higher compression ratio. Since both engines were rated at 255 hp, it is probable that the Rebel's was underrated.[6]

Power steering and power drum brakes were also standard, as on all Rambler Custom models. The car was available only in silver metallic paint accented with gold anodized aluminum inserts along the sides. Padded dashboards and visors, rear child proof door locks, and seat belts were all optional.[7] A total of 1,500 Rebels were produced in 1957. A/C was a $345 option.[2]

The Rebel is considered to be a precursor of the muscle cars (rear-wheel drive mid-size cars with a powerful V8 engines and special trims) that became so popular in the 1960s. It also foretold that muscle-type performance would be included among AMC's models.[8]

[edit] Fuel injection optionThe Bendix "Electrojector" electronic fuel injection (EFI) was to be optional on the 1957 Rambler Rebel with a flashy introduction at the Daytona Beach Road Course trials.[9] The Rebel's Electrojector equipped engine was rated at 288 bhp (214.8 kW).[1] This was to have been the first mass-produced engine with a transistorized "brain box" fuel injection system.[10] A Rambler Rebel with the optional EFI was tested by Motor Trend, and they recorded this sedan going faster from a standing start than the 1957 Chevrolet Corvette with mechanical fuel injection.

The Bendix system's public debut in December 1956 was followed by a March 1957 price bulletin listing it as a US$395 option, but because supplier difficulties, EFI Rebels would only be available after June 15.[11] This was to have been the first production EFI engine, but Electrojector's teething problems meant only pre-production cars were so equipped: thus, very few cars so equipped were ever sold,[12] and none were made available to the public.[13] The Rambler's EFI was more advanced than the mechanical types then appearing on the market and the engines ran fine in warm weather, but suffered hard starting in cooler temperatures.[11] As a result, all of the production Rebels used a four-barrel carburetor. Nevertheless, the EFI option remained in the published owner's manual.[14]

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AMC had intended to offer the Bendix unit on its 1957 Rambler Rebel, a quick little 327 powered car that could match the 300C's 0-60 times. The picture below from the New York Auto Show features the Rebel. In front of the car is the engine with the Bendix unit. This was to be the first electronic fuel injected production engine, but problems with the Bendix "Electrojector" unit meant that only a few engineering and press cars were built, estimated to be no more than six units, but at least two were known to have been built. One was sent to Daytona Beach for Speed Week. It was the second fastest car on the beach, bested only by a 57 Corvette with mechanical fuel injection, and only by a couple tenths of a second! The EFI 327 was rated at 288 hp, the production 4V carbureted model at 255 hp. All the EFI cars were reportedly converted to 4V carb before being sold -- none are known to have existed outside the engineering department at AMC. The main problem was that early transistor electronics just couldn't keep up with the demands of "on the fly" engine controls. Here is an excerpt from the owner's manual:

"Electrojector" Fuel Injection System
The optional Bendix system is monitored by an electronic control box, located on the right side panel under the instrument panel, to gather the following data; full throttle enrichment, acceleration enrichment, idling requirements, fuel enrichment for quick starts and warmups, and deceleration fuel cutoff. The control box gathers this information and correlates it for timing the fuel charge by electrically actuating the injectors. The injectors spray fuel directly into each intake port in calibrated quantities at timed intervals.

Horsepower: 255 @4700 RPM (4-barrel carb)
288 @4700 RPM (Electrojector equipped)



Fuel delivery is accomplished by a trigger selector unit driven by a flex-cable from the ignition distributor. This breaker point control unit controls time interval for fuel delivery to each injector.

An electric fuel pump delivers fuel at a constant pressure (20 PSI) from the gas tank to the injectors by a common-rail fuel line system with a tank return line. This fuel pump is adjacent to the gas tank and is activated when ignition is turned on. A fuel filter in the engine compartment insures against foreign particles.

Your authorized dealer has factory-trained personnel to service the fuel injection system.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------





Chrysler records show only 35 cars built with the complex multi-port system which had two dual-point distributors; one for the ignition, and one for the injectors. An electric fuel pump was mounted in the gas tank, and two "black boxes," a resistance box and a modulator box, were mounted to the radiator support and were the brains of the system. (Apparently the brain suffered from a tumor.) The system was built by Bendix Aviation in Elmira, New York, and was first used on aircraft during the Korean War. Aircraft engines require fuel systems that only need to work at idle or wide-open throttle, so the Bendix engineers had to devise a way to make the system work in a car. In theory it worked, but the system proved very troublesome due to the crude wax paper covered capacitors inside the black box, which failed often. Me, I would have used aluminum foil from a TV dinner. At least that way, when the thing crapped out in the middle of nowhere, you could have something to eat. I kinda like those Hungry Man Veal Parmigiana dinners myself. Across town, GM's simpler Rochester mechanical fuel injection system proved far more reliable, though few people wanted to pay for it.

The Bendix system had many components modern fuel-injection systems employ including a fuel-pressure regulator, fuel rails, individual injectors, throttle positioning valve, an electronic cold start and warm up sensor, primary and secondary throttle bodies, manifold vacuum sensor, idle sensor, air temperature sensor, acceleration sensor and two fuel lines. Roller skates in the trunk were under consideration when the option was discontinued.

The difference between a carburetor and fuel injection is how fuel is supplied to an engine. With a conventional system, a fuel pump mounted on the engine gets fuel from the tank and forces it into the carburetor. There, the fuel is mixed with air and passed through the intake manifold to the engine's combustion chambers. A fuel injection system supplies fuel to the engine by an electric powered pump in the gas tank. Injectors on the intake manifold backed by electronic controls determine the exact amount of fuel to be delivered into the cylinder's intake ports. The advantages of the Bendix system were faster warmups and performance gains while the engine was cold because the proper fuel-air mixture ratios and distribution were more easily maintained. The main disadvantage was sore feet from hoofing it to the nearest telephone booth to call for a ride home.



This is how the Bendix system was supposed to work:

Electronically controlled and electrically actuated, the Electrojector had a transistor equipped modulator, about 5 inches in size. Watch it, I know what you're thinking. The brain took a timed electrical signal from the ignition distributor. It sensed, through tiny electronic transmitting devices located at key points on the engine, the engine's temperature, throttle position, manifold pressure and even the altitude (or density) of the air being sucked into the cylinders. The modulator integrated all of the information received and instantly translated this data into a control signal that actuated the injectors. This was according to an article in Bendixline, a company newsletter dated Sept. 28, 1956, obviously written by an optimist. In a 1956 Bendix newsletter, company President Malcolm P. Ferguson announced that fuel injection "will replace the carburetor and improve performance." Sorry Malcolm, sober up and smell the death threats.

Ferguson also said in that issue, "Compared to the latest four-barrel carburetor designed for high performance engines, the 'Electrojector' system provides between 10 and 20 more horsepower — achieved at lower engine rpm throughout the whole range of speeds, boosts fuel economy, achieves quicker starts and warmups, eliminates the 'smog' problem created by unburned fuel exhausted from the engine and is a system with a minimum of moving parts." The one part that tended not to move at all was the entire car, but what the heck, these guys probably drove Oldsmobiles.


Tom White's 1958 DeSoto Adventurer F.I. Convertible

One man who knows a lot about the Bendix system is Tom White of Hopkinton, Massachusetts, who owns a 1958 Adventurer, one of only 82 convertibles built that year. Today, only five 1958 Adventurer convertibles are known to exist; White owns two, there are two in Sweden, and the fifth is in Wisconsin. But White's car is a little different, and just a tad more valuable. Chrysler Historical Records show White's gold Adventurer to be the only DeSoto built with and retaining fuel injection remaining.

Re: Rambler All-American
 

Moose,

1967 Rambler American
* Model 220 2-Door Sedan
* Model 220 4-Door Sedan
* Model 220 4-Door Station Wagon
* Model 440 2-Door Sedan
* Model 440 4-Door Sedan
* Model 440 4-Door Station Wagon
* Model 440 2-Door Hardtop
* Model Rogue 2-Door Hardtop
* Model Rogue Convertible

Standard with the 290/225 HP Engine
* 3.15 Gears (3.54 were optional at No Charge)
* 10" Flanged Drum Brakes

Note; Though Power Disc Brakes were available, the drum brakes worked fine for stopping.

Only 58 of the Rambler Americans (Model 440 or Rogue) came equipped with the 343/280 HP 'Typhoon Engine'

1967 Production Numbers with the 343 'Typhoon'

* Model 440 (2-Door Sedan),,,,,,,,,,,,,10
* Model 440 (2-Door Hardtop),,,,,,,,,,,8
* Rogue (2-Door Hardtop),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,33
* Rogue (Convertibles),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,7

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Some general information;

Ford built the 4-Speed shifter for Rambler/AMC in 1967.

The Hurst Shifter could be ordered as a 'Dealer Installed Option' off
the Performance Parts Catalog.

In 1967, the Rambler American with the 290/225 HP engine was classed in F/S or F/SA (12.50 - 13.99 Wt/Hp)

In 1968, the same combination was classed in J/S or J/SA (12.50 - 12.99 Wt/Hp)

Performance Test;
1967 American 440 2-Door Hardtop,,, 290/225 HP
4-Speed, with 3.15 Gears and Twin-Grip Differential
Single Exhaust

Results: 17.60 @ 75 MPH

Performance Test;
1967 American 440 2-Door Sedan,,, 290/225 HP
4-Speed, with 3.54 Gears and Twin-Grip Differential
Dual Exhaust and Low-Restriction Mufflers

Results: 16.55 @ 83 MPH

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In 1967, American Motors started to take an aggressive approach towards performance.

Available through an 'Over-the-Counter Program', a "Performance Parts
Catalog' was offered.

Dealer installed options were available for the 290 and 343 engines.

Catalog Items;
* Performance Camshaft and Kit
* Doug's Headers
* Thrush Mufflers
* Mallory Distributor
* Holley Carburetor
* Traction Bars

Though the 2-Door Hardtop Models were sharper looking, Junior Stock
AMC drag racers and several dealerships opted for the 2-Door Sedan,
as the stronger roof post provided more body strength.

Several racers experienced body twisting problems with the 2-Door Hardtop, as a result of the Uni-Body construction.

Drag racers with the 343/280 HP engine in a Hardtop Model experienced severe body twisting, even breaking windshields and
snapping off trim moldings.

The 343/280 HP engine started to have some success in mid-1967,
as several Street/Strip Junior Stocker Drag racers were getting there 2-Door Sedans into the 14.20's, as well as closing in on the 100 MPH range.

In 1967, the 343/280 HP engine in a Rambler American or Rogue would be found in C/S or C/SA (9.50 - 10.59 Wt/Hp)

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I guess these were some of the other cars they were marketed for back then..

http://www.carrosyclasicos.com/image...american66.jpg

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Here's an old photo of a 343/280 hp Rambler at the track...
http://route66rambler.com/uploads/ga...evSmithAMC.jpg

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Moose,

Nice photo find,,,,,,,,,1967 Rambler Rogue '343'

The 1967 Rambler with the 343/280 HP, an extremely rare performance car.

The 343 engine was available with the Borg-Warner T-10 4-Speed only (Wide-ratio)

Only available in the 1967 Model 440 and Rogue.

Production Numbers for 1967:
Model 440 2-Door Sedan,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,3317
Model 440 2-Door Hardtop,,,,,,,,,,,,4994
Rogue 2-Door Hardtop,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,4249
Rogue (Convertible),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,921

Total Production,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,13,471

Only 58 (0.43%) cars built with the 343/280 HP 'Z' Code 'Typhoon Engine'

What Class at the Track for the 290/225 HP
1967,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,F/S
1968,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,J/S
1969,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,K/S
1970,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,L/S
1971,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,L/S
1972,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,D/S or SS/N
1973 and up...J/S or SS/N

What Class at the Track for the 343/280 HP
1967,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,C/S
1968,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,E/S
1969,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,F/S
1970,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,G/S
1971,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,G/S
1972,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,B/S or SS/I
1973 and up,,,,,E/S or SS/I

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1967 Rambler American 440 2-Door Sedan

Randall Rambler
Mesa, Arizona

Randall Rambler, one of the first AMC High Performance Dealerships.
Frequent winners at the AHRA Drag Strips (ie; Bee Line, Arizona)

These cars with the 343 engine were called 'Super Americans'

Not to be taken lightly, their 67' Rambler American 440, was a 2-Door Sedan (stronger post car), and smartly ordered with no trim, and radio and heater delete.

Not to be taken lightly, this car could run low 13.00's at 108 MPH.

1967 AHRA Formula-6 D/Stock (National Record Holder)

http://route66rambler.com/uploads/ga...ll_rambler.jpg

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i was at montgomery dragstip in new york state in 59 or 60 ,some big race for the era.
a guy from florida shows up with a 57 rambler fuely car and sends all the chevys packing.
i believe it was a three speed.was a real shocker,ran great.
never saw another one ever again.

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1957 Rambler Rebel
327/288 HP

The only 'Factory Stock Car' faster than this in 1/4 Mile in 1957,,,,,,,the Fuelie Corvette

http://jubileejeeps.org/327/57rebel2.jpg

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Bev Smith Rambler
West Palm Beach, Florida

http://route66rambler.com/uploads/ga...almBeachFL.jpg

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funny i missed this thread!


anyway, Randall put together some gremlins with 401's in 'em too.
the dealerships racecar is sitting behind my shop;)

no kidding (but i'm just storing it for a friend)...

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I'm just wondering if were these so called rare Ramblers built with the 343 Typhoon engines were kind of like the other factory built race cars, or could anyone walk into a dealership and buy one...this sounds familiar.

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1967 Rambler 343 'Super American'

Accoring to the records, only '2' of the '58' built,
were built by the factory as a 'regular stocking order'.

The other '56' were customer ordered cars, or dealer ordered cars for racing.

All 58 were built with the Borg-Warner T-10 4-Speed.

Of the 13,471 (1967 Rambler American 2-Doors or Rogue), only
58 came equipped with the 343 Typhoon (1 out of every 250 built).

Car & Driver (July 1967)
Article: "High-Performance Rambler ?"
Performance Results;
15.80 @ 88 MPH
0 to 60 = 7.9 Seconds

General Specifications:

343/280 Horsepower
Code: 'Z'
Name: 'Typhoon'

280 Horsepower @ 4800 RPM's
365 Foot Pounds of Torque @ 3000 RPM

Bore: 4.08"
Stroke: 3.28"
Compression Ratio: 10.2 - 1
Camshaft: (Lift); .425 Intake / .425 Exhaust, (Duration 266*, Overlap 44*)
Lifters: Hydraulic
Valves: 2.02" Intake / 1.62" Exhaust
Cylinder Head: Casting #3188558 (51.4 CC)
Intake: Cast Iron
Carburetor: Carter AFB 625 CFM

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Here's a 290 4 bbl '67 Rambler American stocker running in K/S...

http://www3.sympatico.ca/big-d/vern.jpg

How about a 343 Typhoon Rambler running in SS/J from overseas in Finland...

http://images25.fotki.com/v956/photo...inland2-vi.jpg

http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/49...600x600Q85.jpg

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Check out this old Rambler...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4..._rambler_1.jpg

http://www.wps.com/AMC/Rambler-327/418-cid%20v8.htm

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http://assets.hemmings.com/story_ima...00-0.jpg?rev=3

The rest of the article is here:

http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/...feature17.html

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Paul,

I'm new here, and I have owned 2 of (what us AMC-folks refer to them as) the American "X-code" cars... Americans with the 343-engine had an "X" in the VIN-code. I have never found documentation validating the numbers you mentioned above, with the breakdown of how many 343's were installed in each model of the American... can you tell me where those numbers came from?

A couple of other notes. The "Super American" term was actually coined by an author of a magazine article, rather than by the factory... AMC never used this term (that I could find anyways). Also, the reference to broken windshields, actually occurred with the sedans rather than the hardtops. The theory is that the sedans made the top more rigid, forcing the "flex-point" to be in the windshield-area, as opposed to the hardtops, where the flex tended to be absorbed across the entire roof.

And to another question posted... the 343 Americans could be ordered by anyone walking in, and placing an order... as a matter of fact, every single "X-code" American that was built in 1967, were Customers' order cars. I ordered my first one, the very first work day of 1967... a black/black Rogue, 343, 4-speed, from Plummer Motors in Swanton, Ohio.

And lastly, although not mentioned so far. There (generally) is a consensus that these were only available as 4-speed cars... which likely was true for those available to the general public after January 1 1967. There is one known automatic 343 equiped American built in October of 1966... which is currently being restored on a rotisserie, in my garage.

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67RogueX-code, welcome aboard it's great to see some new blood posting on here...and you've got to post some old photos of your rides if you have any. :)

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67Rogue X-Code,

Glad to have you aboard the All-American thread.

I'm a Mopar Gear-Head,,,,,but always liked the AMC cars,,,,

Information on the cracked windshields;

Straight from; The Standard Catalog of American Cars
1967 Rambler Rogue; Page 12

"The body integrity of the 67' Rambler with the 343 engine was a major problem, especially in the hardtop, and even more so in the convertible."

The 'Super American', though never an official name of the car with the
343, was used by dealers with a 'performance group, and Rambler street guys.

As I stated earlier, though anybody could order one, it appears that only '2' were actually ordered by dealers as part of their stocking inventory.

The other '56' were ordered by customers, as you could not find one on the dealership lot.

As for actual production numbers;
they came from an old article about
Geis Rambler, East Main Street, Shrub Oak, New York.

Geis stated that they had one of the (8) 67' Rambler American 440 'hardtops' with the 343/280 HP 4-Speed.,,,,,,,,,,
which they drag raced (67' thru 69').

The car was Frost White with I think, blue interior, and Radar Wheels.

Car name; 'FROST ACTION'

Engine built by; Joe Jill of 'Speedwin Automotive'

The information was later confirmed by the American Motors Corporation, Regional Zone Office, on North Saw Mill River Road, in Elmsford New York

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1967 Rambler Rogue '343'

First appearance, the 1967 Chicago Auto Show
February 25 thru March 5, 1967.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Motor Trend Magazine 'Project Car'

1967 Rambler rogue, 343/280 HP 4-Speed

Out to improve 'Car & Drivers' performance results of 15.80 @ 88 MPH.

Using primarily 'over-the counter bolt-on' performance parts.

Performance results;
13.90 @ 100 MPH
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Also, Rockford Rambler, out of (Rockford, Illinois)

They ran a Dealership Drag Race Car Set-up, a 1967 Rambler American, 440 2-Door Sedan 343/280 HP

In early-mid 1967, they would trailor their car to the drag strip,
to drag race and try to impress the young performance minded kids
with a Rambler Musclecar'

From Rockford, Illinois, to Oswego Drag Strip
(about 75 miles away).

Classed in NHRA B/Stock
The car ran impressive 13.40's,

But, they experienced some excessive body-flexing in the uni-body construction, as well as some axle-hopping, which in turn limited their
off the line launches.

But, they did impress,,,,,,as they did put away some Chevy's, Fords and
Mopars.

Re: Rambler All-American
 

Thanks for getting back with that information. Would you happen to have a copy of that article? I still have some doubts about the numbers though... first there aren't any 220's listed (and I personally know of 2), and I have never found anyone that could verify that there were any 343 convertibles built.

This is really good stuff!!! And believe me, there are about 100 AMC guys/gals from theAMCforum.com that are currently reading this.

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Rogue,

Believe me,,,,,,,,,I'm no expert on these cars,,,,,,but have seen my fair share of them.

You would think, a smart racer would have wanted a Base Model 220,
2-Door Sedan,,,,,,,,

But again, according the Rambler Literature,,,,,,,,they state that the
343/280 HP 'Z' Code engine was not available in the Model 220.

Of course,,,,,,,,,,,,anything can have been bought...back then.

On the exterior markings,

The Model 220 and Model 440, had emblems on the front fender.
Also, the Rogue emblem was on the front fender.

The 290 V-8 engine call out was placed on the back fender.

The Model 220 and Model 440 had 'American' on the front fender.

Both the Model 440 and Rogue, had a brushed panel insert for the
back trunk lid.

The Model 440 and Rogue, had a trim molding section at the base of the 'C' pillar.

Drip-rail moldings were standard the Model 440 and Rogue.

Lower window trim moldings, Rogue only.

Full-length fender crown trim molding, Rogue only.

The lower exterior full-length band-molding was standard on the
Model 440 and the Rogue.

That molding was not available on the Base Model 220.

Rocker panel moldings were (optional), and were available on all models.

Bucket seats were available in the Rogue only.

Re: Rambler All-American
 

So Motor Trend and Car & Driver both had this as a road test car back then...here's a couple pages from Car & Driver magazine.

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/u...T1967PAGE1.jpg

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/u...T1967PAGE2.jpg

Re: Rambler All-American
 

Paul,

Any chance you can make you documentation available to the AMC community?

Some clarification:
"The 290 V-8 engine call out was placed on the back fender." All engines had call-outs on the rear-fenders.

"The Model 440 and Rogue, had a trim molding section at the base of the 'C' pillar." There were actually four different trim-moldings at the base of the 'C' pillar, all were different, and none were interchangeable, they each had different (mounting) holes... 220's had their own, 440's had different ones, Rogues (without vinyl) actually had 2 per side, and Rogues (with vinyl) had their own.

Everything else is accurate.

Trivia question: All X-code '67 American had a distinguishing feature, visible in the trunk, do you know what it was?

Go ahead and email me directly if you can make your documentation available... thanks for all of your help.

Re: Rambler All-American
 

67RogueX-code, maybe you care to tell us...in the mean time here's an old shot.

http://www.hyfire.com/rumbler.jpg

Re: Rambler All-American
 

http://classracer.com/classforum/album.php?albumid=1036 shows trim along the rocker panel BUT i've been told it was an optional thing...

Re: Rambler All-American
 

Somebody on another thread said something about the 1967 Rambler with the 343,,,,,,

On the 'X' and 'Z' labels..

I only stated that the 1967 343/280HP engine was a 'Z' Code...

And on the exterior trim,,,,,,,,

The 'Rogue' had the name call out on the trunk deck lid,,,,,,,,,

And the Model 220 and Model 440 had the 'American' call out on the
back trunk deck lid.

Re: Rambler All-American
 

and the ones i've had confirm that...
still have the trunk emblem from the rogue....

Re: Rambler All-American
 

That car still exists, and is owned by a member of "theAMCforum.com". And other than the wheels/tires looks exactly the same today.

Trivia answer:
To help handle the additional torgue, ONLY X-code cars had the rear shock move to behind the rear axle. To support the upper shock-mounts, plates were added to the differential-hump, inside the trunk. Similar plates were used the following year on the Javelins & AMX's.

In this picture you can see one of those plates. Also note, this picture is of a 220 (disputing the list previously posted):

http://theamcforum.com/forum/uploads...s_2_X-Code.jpg

Re: Rambler All-American
 

http://assets.hemmings.com/story_ima...00-0.jpg?rev=3

http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/...feature12.html

Re: Rambler All-American
 

1967 Rambler 440, 2-Door Sedan, 343 4-Speed

No full-length lower band molding,,,,,,,most likely removed.

1967 AHRA Formula-6 D/Stock National Record Holder
12.47 @ 113 MPH

That would be equivalent to 1967 NHRA B/S (Stock Class).
But, the AHRA did permit Camshaft up-grades, as well as Holley Carburetors on Stock Class Engines.


http://route66rambler.com/uploads/ga...ll_rambler.jpg

Re: Rambler All-American
 

looks like the one pictured has the beltline moulding if you look close...
that's the only 2dr sedan i've ever seen it on though (but i'm still new to the amc stuff but learning fast;) )

Re: Rambler All-American
 

1967 Rambler Rogue

The 1967 Rambler American and Rogue featured a new front grille,
which featrured prominent horizontal chromium-plated staffs.

Just looking at the Rogue 'Hardtop', you can see the weak link in the body,,,,,,,,the 'C' pillar area appears small.

The higher torque in the 343/280 'Typhoon' engine, obviously caused
body twisting in the 'Hardtop'.


http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1967-AMC-Ramb...5QdWw~~0_3.JPG

Re: Rambler All-American
 

Seems Rambler used these items just like the Dodge & Plymouth cars with 440 six pack and 426 Hemi motors, they used extra bracing and thick plates and torque boxes on their cars.