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According to Live Timing a big congratulation is in order to Number One Qualifier Kevin Anderson 10.850 run on Q2 - 1.30 under in H/SA at the first Division 2 Race

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I thought he was DQ

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Nope , he was a DQ Larry

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The 2:10 pm time stamp on the Q2 sheet shows

Low E T 10.850 Sec. 1036 Kevin Anderson

I hope that the radiator did not leak at the scales like it sometime happens on the left coast.

What was the DQ for? Weight, mechanical, incorrect part, wheel base, safety equipment out of date?

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No Larry, the radiator did not spring a leak, no crewmembers removed weight between the turnoff and the scales, there were NO diving trunks involved, word on the street was fuel DQ ….

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Kevin was in the fourth set of cars in Stock for the Q2 attempt. According to the racers I spoke with fuel check was done on Q1. Racers said Q2 was, make run, pull on scale for weight check, and no fuel check then go back to the pits. Once a racer is released from the Tech Area the run is official, I have been told.

Mike if no fuel check was preformed during Q2 how did his fuel fail? Most of the time if a car missed Q1 session and Q2 is their first time down the track a fuel check will be preformed on those few cars only. Kevin made Q1 and Q2

I have been in that same situation what happened to me and a lot of other racers is: I got sealed up, rechecked my fuel and weight and had a full teardown including wheel base. Before first round of elimination.

If rules got bent to discount the run it dilutes all the hard work we all put in to make our stuff competitive.

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Very valid questions Larry…...Makes one WONDER , are there any enforceable rules any more ?? OR, are the RULES just suggestions ??

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This is one of the many reasons AHFS doesn't work every time there's an opportunity for it to work people find ways around it. Not even saying anyone done anything wrong here but one would think that if someone passes first round there's a reasonable expectation they pass Q2.

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No pup in this, but they used to ask if you went faster than your first run you got rechecked. Same as record runs you first had to break the record then you had to back it up. But this was the way Wayne Lewis [RIP] explained it to me, could be different now. Tom

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Somebody help a foggy brain here - wasn't there a rule update where you couldn't avoid a hit by something under your control once the pass was made? Did that only apply to bypassing the scales and not involve fuel?

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I am led to believe that some people capable of running fast, carry a small
bottle of gas additive with them in there glove box or wherever, and add
that to their fuel when they have gone quicker than they wanted. I observed
someone who failed fuel check last year, and didn't observe any corrective
action to their fuel system. If I failed fuel check, I would dump that container
of fuel, take a new container to tech, make sure it was good, drain what was in the car, rinse it twice with the good fuel, fill up my cell and drive to tech to take a new sample of the new fuel and make sure it was good, but that's
just me. I'm sure everybody handles it differently.

J.R.

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Maybe some of our Stock/Super Stock representatives could help us out here and get some sunlight on the subject.
Thanks for you help!

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How much difference is there between division tech and national event tech ?

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It should be none, the rule book does not change

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This happened to me at my first race ever in Stock at Orlando last year. I essentially did exactly what you described and passed fuel check in Q2. I still don't know why I failed the first time but I took corrective action immediately.

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Nail polish remover comes in a very small bottle and I keep it in my pocket ..

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M.J. It might be time to ditch the nail polish. There are now only Men
and Women. No more of that in between stuff.

J.R.

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If you go thru fuel check and your fuel fails and it is way out of wack for some suspicious reason tech will normally keep your sample and have it analyzed to see what is in it.

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they added 15 horsepower to the 350 /255 at 295 now for the automatic

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Engine builder?

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I?m glad they got it figured out

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Larry, help me understand how ?they got it figured out? ?
There is no 1.3 under run on the books, period. Final qual sheet shows 1.144 under. Yet there is the notice on nhra page of a 15 hp hit for a 1.3 under run for that combo.
So which one is it? An on the books 1.3 under run which of course results in the hit, or a 1.144 under run?
How can there be the hit without the run being counted?

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Look at post 6. This is what I gathered from live timing and a copy of Q2 Stock sheet on Jim S Facebook page. It has a time stamp of 2:xx pm showing low et of 10.85 sec. by Kevin.
Did anyone notice the price of lead futures yesterday?

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right at the top!

https://www.nhra.com/results/2025/lu...-eliminator/q2

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The 255 combo got a gift from NHRA this morning. 15hp

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I'm all for this combo getting bombed because of this guys negligence, but I want to know how they can hammer the combo when they did not tear the car down or weigh it after the run. If they tore it down and I didn't hear about it, then my bad.

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For all you people new to this game a few years ago,
A certain Corvette went 120 something under skip the scale run with discounted
But guess what happened Tuesday? He got 11 hp.
So this has happened before

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But it was posted on here that he got bounced for fuel, so how can the run still count for anything?
Final Q sheet does not list it.

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It counts just like a one second under run counts when fuel and or scales are closed.....

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Stunning 1.3 under with a 350/255 H/SA.

Most good H/SA are 11.20's on a 12.15 index.

Did NHRA conduct a Tear Down?

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You can be to light for the class or to heavy for the class. The car has to fit between a minimum weight and a maximum weight either one will get the run DQ.

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The AHFS was triggered with the clocks at 1.300 under index (as the AHFS rules state "any run of 1.30 Under Index" shall trigger an immediate HP Reducution or Increase. Regardless of any possible fuel, weight check, or teardown or other DQ or anything else that happened after that trigger point. He did it, it happened, and the AHFS takes over from there. Any possible rules infractions don't change the AHFS triggering which is pretty much plain as day. The added HP is also spelled out in the formula and immediate.

NHRA posting (publication on nhraracer.com), is just a formality and notification to the rest of the world at
large, as multiple events can occur at different locations at the same time.

The Final Q sheet and ladder may, or may not contain DQ'd (or even
successive Qualifying/Class Ladders in
a case I know of), or withdrawn racers
(competitors), originally entered during
a specific event. As they are usually
removed from further competition.

If a particular pass is disallowed (weight/fuel), but the competitor is not removed from competition, as far as the
AHFS violation (more a trigger point for
Immediate action as required by the AHFS rules), the pass still exists, does it not?

I hope and pray the above comments about certain substances was posted in jest and purely misplaced sarcasm. Please tell me it was.

I found that out last April.

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Sry, that last sentence belongs up 2 paragraphs. I am not editing it now.

I do not feel bad for the triggerman, I feel bad for others in his class. If you can fly, let the bird loose. We can build you back, bigger, faster, stronger Steve...lol.

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Not sure why people seem to forget that all of this is at the sole discretion of the sanctioning body. My 1 cent.

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So, racers want the AHFS to work….but not at INDY ..So, when a racer runs -1.30 under at ORLANDO , the run does not make the Q sheet ?? ….racer receives 15 HP BUT does not tear down ?? Gonna be a RUSH on 350 300 HP heads in the next few weeks.

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I doubt it. The 350/300 in a 69 Camaro pretty much got killed 2 years ago. Even though the 255 is at 295 now, I don?t think it is worth the extra 12 hp to make the switch to a 350/300.

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With the aftermarket heads it's rated at 291

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Mainly the result of 15 year old indexes and zero tech on cylinder heads and intakes.

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The 350/255 with a replacement head is at 285. My guess is if there?s a rush to change heads, that?s what they?ll be more likely to do.

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That's a better option than the 300 combo at 291.