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No Silver Dollar or Galot in D2 for 2025. Doubles at South Georgia and Rockingham instead. Cecil moved to October in D1. Will be fast ! Cecil and the Rock overlap each other. Not good !

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NHRA hates working people.

Enough with the doubles! Especially Wednesday-Saturday doubles.

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Galot is now WDRA and Silver Dollar, well...... it was going to tax foreclosure for non payment of back taxes, figuring the operator spent it on drugs since he was arrested a few weeks back for felony possession of narcotics. Not spreading rumors, just stating public knowledge. No other tracks available for Div 2.

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Enough with the doubles! NHRA continue’s to make it impossible for the normal working people to race division races!

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Amazing no Division races at Joliet any more.

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Bobby, that was the place I got my first divisional win at!!!

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You do understand that there are many racers that lobby for doubles. This wasn't done out of spite by NHRA, they listened to those who have been pleading for them.

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I like Thursday -Sunday doubles. The farther you have to travel to race the more attractive they are.

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I personally love the doubles, I think you need to look at it this way, normally you would have 7-8 weekends traveling for an event, so for the working man that is most likely 7 or 8 Wed, Thurs, Friday and depending how far you are Monday off from work (28 or 32 days), now you have a Double in which you get two races and only have to take Tues, Wed, Thur & Fri off (Depending on the Division your taking 4 or 8 days off for 2 or 4 races) because you travel home on Sunday. In D1 we now cut 2 weekends off of traveling (We last had 8 races in 2022 with 2 Atco events, but VMP got cancelled so we still only had 7) and now get 2 races at probably the two toughest tows on tour (VMP & Numidia) and add if Ken has the CR Nationals you go to Numidia for 3 events for 1 tow.

The only downfall I see is everyone is going to have a Grade 8 in 2026 and trying to get into a National Event just became tougher.

I can say these "Doubles" are needed for the track owners to get a good car count to make the Divisionals worth their time, a lot of these track owners are on the fence about hosting Divisionals anymore, it's easy to host a T&T or a Big Money Bracket Race with Buybacks that they can make cash on and most need 2 events to break even for the weekend, when you add TAFC & TAD into the mix in which they don't really pay an entry and the track has to pay the purse, a lot of these tracks don't want them. I've said it for a while now, these guys are mostly business owners, they need to find sponsors to help bring them into these events, look at all the new classes added to the LODRS series over the past 10 years - all have had a major sponsor backing them - TD & TS has Right Trailers and before Vortech SC, Factory X has Holley, Factory Stock has had Multiple sponsors, Pro Mod has a new sponsor each race, the bottom line is the track owners don't want to foot the bill anymore and I talk to a few of them on a regular basis.

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BKSG1198 "The only downfall I see is everyone is going to have a Grade 8 in 2026 and trying to get into a National Event just became tougher."

And NHRA keeps lowering the entry quota. What kind of logic is this.

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I do understand both sides to the double header or not formats.
One downside with the double is if you have an issue with the car that can?t be dealt with at the track at the first race you?re hosed on two divisional.
Not a big deal 95% of the time but a factor.
Now I?ll say the doubles would be a lot easier for me to swallow if they were Thursday through Sunday.
Wednesday to Saturday is pretty rough on work schedule and vacation.
Regarding Sunday as a rain day I get it, but if Monday was a rain day you have, what, 75% less people that need to take another day off from work compared to everyone needing to burn at least 3 days in a row, if not 4 with travel distance.
We already accepted that reality for national Events, tough to swallow for divs in my opinion

Kp

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Because they know we will keep lining up to attend even if they raise the entry fee to $600

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In NHRA, mine too. And we share the same birthday, LOL

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Bottom line is doubles don’t work for most with a real job and limited time off. It also doesn’t work for some business owners too. It’s a whole lot easier to take a Friday off and leave for an event Thursday after work. That said, I can see how doubles appeal to the over 65 crowd, retirees, which represent a large number of class racers.

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I like doubles for the added value you get for the long distance travel required. The problem is that they often add extra classes that do not need to be at the LDRS. Junior dragsters, bracket racers, shootouts etc all add time to the schedule that end up adding days. If these extra classes were not run at the LDRS races, there is no reason a double race couldn't be run Friday - Sunday with Thursday being an optional test n tune. For the working guys a morning qualifying pass on Saturday before the eliminator could make it a Saturday-Sunday double race.

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The NHRA has a tough enough time finishing 1 divisional Saturday and Sunday no mind a double. It’s not entirely their fault,, the racers have a lot to do with it. For one, they don’t want to race under the lights

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With the shortage of race tracks on the west coast, doubles have pretty much become necessary, unfortunately.

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Look at the Division 5 schedule. If you live on the west side of the Division, doubles only make sense and add the drive to Division 6 Yellowstone. Yellowstone, by the way, is a great track and the people that run it make it a great place to race at.

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I am a fan of the doubles, however like most would prefer a Thursday-Sunday schedule. Most of the time Sunday is not even utilized, the program is just shortened (Cbus SportsNats for example).

I am 35 and work a full-time job, so to me I am going to take the days regardless of if they are spread out or a double, however it does save on some fuel.

My worthless 2 cents..

Casey FJ
U/SA 3480

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No Div at Odessa??? WHY!

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Odessa is a great question, anybody??

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Uh, because the owners of Odessa want to make $$ AND Lodrs races are not profitable for the tracks……

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They did have some Facebook comments to the effect that they will be back; they just need time to get things in order for an event of that scale.

It was not the owner posting, but someone who at least appeared to be posting on the track's behalf in the comments to Division 5's 2025 schedule announcement post.

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At last years double at Flying H, they faced some first timer pains. Being a double was probably a lot tougher than having a single event, and the
torrential rainfall that swamped the 3rd level grass area pits was really
unfortunate. Having said all that, their response to the pit problem, and other problems was first class. The race was completed, the racing was great,
the staff that I encountered was First Class, and I was looking forward to
returning this year. While it is always easy to be a critic, and we have some
experts in that field here, I toast the efforts made by the Management and
Staff of Flying H. None of the divisions have an overabundance of tracks
anymore, and I hope we are treating the one's we have with the respect and business understanding they deserve.

J.R.

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Good news for D-5 racers,

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The push for the doubles is not only being driven by racers but by the tracks themselves. The tracks see the higher profitability in doubles (attendance is typically higher) and they can have a more successful LODRS event.

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I've driven by that location many times since it's the same location as the circle track which has been there quite a few years. I've never actually gone to that track.

I was talking to a friend who has much more experience with the place and he expressed concerns about a large (like national) event there. It's right next to the interstate, but there is only a 2 lane country road that goes to it. He was convinced that an event with a large amount of traffic would cause problems as the traffic would definitely back up onto the interstate, and neither MODOT or the state patrol would allow that.

Don't get me wrong - I am pretty excited about it being built and the staff they've put in place. And considering how intensive the build was, there could be a chance that a road upgrade is in their plans.

But as I said, never been there. Curious to hear from those who have, and whether the access might be a problem for a big event.

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For once, I'm on board with Ed. People's aversion to racing at night has always confused me. I race at night every time I go bracket racing, sometimes in the freezing cold. If you have a car that is so temperamental that it can't run when dew falls or when the track gets chilly, you have the wrong approach IMO. I'm going to go 9.90 at 139 if it's 100 degrees or 45. I pray for sh!tty tracks and wet grass.

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Division 2 has all but ran me out I guess I'll go run with my friends in D1. I don't know who can afford to spend three weeks straight in Florida other than retirees it certainly isn't for me trying to run a business that's for sure.
I just don't get it I know several people that have complained about this for a couple years now to no avail. It's bad enough that it's 9 or 10 hours towing but put some damn space between these races I have no problem driving back and forth but I need a little time in between races to actually function like a working person to keep my **** running here at home so I can afford to do this crap to start with!

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Another genius move let's put Rockingham double on top of Cecil County......

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Well I have to disagree, if you have a fast stocker on 9” tires it’s not a good idea to push it on a cold damp track.

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RJ Sledge
Would you like to enlighten the forum about the profitability of the doubles or at least the right kind of double. You looked into it and told me. (It is public information/ no big secret) I would just mess it up...
Maybe share a link?

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fair, but again, not my problem. I feel pretty confident my 3600# station wagon in N/SA is getting down that same marginal track. I built something I would never have to worry about traction. If you built a FS/A car and can't get down at 9pm, you brought/built the wrong car.