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D1 put a post out of a tentative schedule for the Dutch classic. Oct 23 to 26th on Facebook. I'm sure a more official flyer will come out shortly. Just wanted to post for those not on Facebook and want to plan early.

Wed record runs ( test and tune?)
Thursday Qualifying/Time runs
Friday Class
Saturday 1st round with plan to complete race
Sunday is open to allow for weather.

There are people asking questions, and am not sure there will be any changes because of that.

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"Sunday Sunday Sunday" has all but turned into Saturday Saturday Saturday and now we have to start on Wednesday Wednesday Wednesday...if you want to set a record. Starting races a day earlier to finish them a day earlier in case it rains doesn't sit well with me but maybe there's more to it. Staff still has to be paid and non-retired racers have to take off an extra day, just in case it rains. The Dutch used to be time runs/record runs Thursday and Friday, Class on Saturday, Eliminations on Sunday.

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One of the positives is if you set a record on Wednesday, you have all day Thursday for teardown or put it back together and still be able to run class on Friday. Just trying to look at the positive side of it, I understand the frustration. i also have to take extra time off now. The funny part of that is the question to NED " can we stack Monday" lol

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Can a racer arrive on Friday morning and use first round of class for their time shot?

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This use to be a good race with over 500 cars. They have added to many classes, not like it use to be

Bob Lasko

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That question was asked on Facebook and they said, because class goes off a traditional ladder, you need to make at least 1 qualifying run on Thursday to be able to run class, just like the baby gators.

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Not going to lie but I used to LOVE the Dutch, one of my favorite events to attend each year but over the past few years that love has gone away. I really wish they would just make the Dutch a D1 points race, the opens are not existent for us anymore in the US unless you race in Canada, making it a D1 race would prevent some of us having to go to Rockingham or STL to pick up grade points, replace rounds for those chasing and such.

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You get a grade point for national opens. Now having a double there would be outstanding.

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If you want to follow the National Event circus but there is no ?points series? for the opens anymore in the US, we only have 6 Divisional?s, so it would be nice that Numidia Open or the Dutch was an actual Divisional and not an open so we didn?t have to travel around the EC to earn the 8 Divisional?s that count.

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The Pennsylvania Dutch Classic was a premier event at one time and the favorite for many racers.
With the addition of too many classes it has been bastardized.

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I agree that the Dutch isn't what it used to be, but being a National Open, there is no AHFS which is a huge plus for me. I will be there bright and early on Wednesday with my camera in hand. Hope to see many of you there!

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I'm thinking you probably could come as late as saturday sense div 1 national opens are random pairing.

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I'm sure you guys remember when many racers racer would come from near and far to set a record at the Dutch Classic. So many in fact that the Certification team had their hands full. Am I right Dave Ley?

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Nothing stays the same forever and our country no mind drag racing is ever going back to what it was 40-50-60 years ago. Just be happy drag racing still exists and maple grove is still a drag strip because one day sooner than later neither willl.

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Your message is always so soothing. Bless your heart 1320.

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The "Dutch" needs to be earlier in the month
Put it back on Columbus Day Weekend!

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So what you?re saying is I need to take an additional day off from work to make one time shot on Thursday so I can run class that I could care less about so I can race on Saturday?

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I don't know about that Joe, you would have to ask that. The question was about running class. Due to random pairing, it may be different than Class

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It sounds like it's an ongoing question being posed by Supka & Ally Doll on the FB Page, like if they don't want to run class can they still get a couple of shots at the tree on Friday...it sounds confusing so far as far as the answer goes

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This new trend seems odd to me. By starting a race earlier (say a Wednesday or Thursday), 100% of the participants are impacted and those with jobs will need to take time off work.

With a "traditional" schedule, IF there is bad weather and the event gets extended into Monday after some rounds of racing, a much smaller group of participants are impacted. Using some quick math, even if only one round was completed before racing stopped, that's 50% that are headed home with possibly no impact to their schedules. Every round after that gets better & better.

Not everybody is retired or races for a living. (haha)

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I don't think there are time shots on Friday for stock and ss. Why not run class on Friday with getting one run and possibly more if you advance during class ?

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Can?t run class if you don?t make a run on Thursday is what I was told

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It was not that way in the past - has to be a mistake - when the schedule was normal (Fri, Sat, Sun) and class was scheduled for Saturday, I showed up then and used the class run as the time trial -
It's hard for me to believe that's changed. It's a national open - there is no "official" qualifying - they generate qualifying sheets but they are for informational purposes... not used for pairings or a ladder.

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correct!!!

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I believe that now that there is no more class at national events and this will be our D1 race where class is being run with.Wallys and contigency, that there is more weight to it. It was stated that you can't run class at the Baby Gators if you don't make a qualifying run prior, and they are applying the same rules. The same happened at Indy this year. The only difference was they offered a clean up run at the end of class for a couple racers who hadn't made a qualifying run prior to cla ss. We were also told they are bringing in extra tech people to handle class this year at the Dutch, so we may see teardowns like I was picked at the Keystones last year.

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Could someone please post the real schedule for the Dutch. Nothing wrong with the way it was run for many years. Parking on Wednesday, test and tune and record runs on Thursday, quailifying runs on Friday, Class for Stock and Super Stock on Saturday, and maybe first round, and eliminations on Sunday. Just think that you will lose division 2 and 3 racers.

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One less day you have to pay staff if it doesn?t rain and you get everything done on Saturday, last year they ran a TT and class on Friday and I think got one round done or maybe two before it got pretty chilly out to run cars, they ran everything to completion on Saturday and we probably should have gone 1/8 mile at least in the .90 classes (not a fan of 1/8 mile but, it was sketchy R2 on) and looking at the long range forecast on accuweather it?s saying Fri-Sun nothing higher then 55 degrees with lows in the mid 30?s.

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2023

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I like the old schedule but they always had trouble running more than one round of class.

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anytime you have an event in late October here in D1, with high temps typically in the upper 50's, you're bound to have sketchy track conditions especially if it's over cast or when the sun goes down.

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It does seem that no matter what the track/division decides, there's always plenty of racers complaining about the decision. I do also believe that the old format for the race worked well. Division racing has definitely gotten out of control to where if you want to get a decent parking spot, you have to show up by Thursday morning early. From a track owner standpoint, they see that probably 50% of the racers are at the track by Wednesday nowadays, so why not start racing on Thursday, and leave Sunday as a weather day. I'm not saying I agree with it, I just see why management doesn't see it as a problem. And the unfortunate thing is, if less people show up this year because of the schedule change, especially after the overall low attendance last year, I doubt the very business oriented owners of Maple Grove will be looking forward to having the Dutch Classic on the schedule for much longer. From a business point of view, a late October money race would probably be more profitable than us. I guess the moral of my post here is, do I like the schedule change? not really. Will I still show up anyway? Yes because I want to continue to be able to race at the tracks that I love.

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spot on comments!

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Considering C1 is counted as a Q run and since this is an experimental crossbreed between a national event and a national open, should we just go back to random pairing for C1 so we can resume the old format of late arrivals using C1 as their qualifier? If E1 has always been historically random pairing then maybe C1 could be as well.

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No, not when there is money and a Wally I involved. The Class ladder should be a traditional sportsman ladder. It keeps everyone honest. If anything, someone should lobby to allow the cars that can't run class to run at the end of class.

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So why not just put any late-comers that haven't made a Q run on the bottom of the sheet at 28.000 and put them into Class Elims. at that?

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I agree, you could put the late arrivals at the bottom of the ladder in his or her class as you would at a divisional.

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Just a reminder to be grateful we have a track to race at. We did lose two major tracks in the last 8 years in D1. The reason we only have 6 divisional races.

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I think one time run Friday morning before the start of class eliminations would address a lot of the concerns. That would give late arrivals a chance to get on the sheet and participate in class runoffs. It would also give any record setters from Thursday some extra time to finish putting their cars back together, or a chance to run after putting it back together. Should not affect Class eliminations as they move along quicker than the eliminator due to any classes that only have 2 cars don't come back after round 1.

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I agree Rob, do away with the two "Opens" and make the Numidia event a "Double Divisional" and turn the Dutch into a Divisional.