AHFS @ Indy 2024
 

Is it on or off ?
If it's on It be for the most part 1000' racing.
If it's off It will be "Hey y'all........ watch this !!!!!!!

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1/2 the racers are for it, the other 1/2 are against lifting the AFHS for this race. I'm not sure if there was official call made on this or not.

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It will take .85X under to make the show of 128 cars so no one will be able protect their average.
If a racer is on the outside of 128 show up early to staging on elimination day you might just get to race as an alternate. Alternates will only get 10 points if the race but if you win you get all the money, contingency, and the big Wally.

Last year there were some singles first round because some alternates did not go to staging lanes.

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The announcement was made some time ago. There will be no AHFS applied to the runs at Indy.

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Thanks

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Does the 1.30 under instant hit apply?

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Nope

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Where was the announcement made? I don't see a post on NHRA Racer like I did for 2023 but I might have missed it?

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I never saw one either . The last one I saw was for Indy 2023 😁😁

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Is there a exempt list....No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review.

Paul H

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[QUOTE=Larry Hill;698922

Last year there were some singles first round because some alternates did not go to staging lanes.[/QUOTE]

Last year at Indy there were plenty of alternates in the lanes. NHRA personal didn't have a qualifying sheet and didn't know who was the first or last alternate. It was total kayos and racers were skipped over.

Casey Miles

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This was spoken of after the Big Go and I just don't get it. If you're a veteran racer and who believes there's a chance to get into the eliminator as an alternate why would you not go to the top of the lanes for the first round?
As for the NHRA official why on earth did they not drive around the pits with a list and alert those eligible or make an announcement or a text?
Why in God's name was there chaos at the biggest event of the year?
Shame on everyone.

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From my understanding, a lot of alternates were up there, but there was miscommunication between everyone up there. It was a cluster from what I have heard.

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It can be and has been chaotic in the back. Thst being said, it was worse than ever.

This is a reflection of priorities from NHRA leadership ( accountants not racers) that really do not understand that this is impactful to many racers at Indy. There are people that work at NHRA that have the skills to manage this, but clearly, the leadership doesn?t allow it.
Posting inexperienced workers and giving them zero support was a huge problem.

The good news is that it is easily solved.

Call alternates to the lanes and let them all check in.

Do not run any singles until all of the alternates are locked in and lined up in qualifying order. Then they can just peel them off as needed and send the rest back.

I have been an alternate and it is very stressful if you really want to race. You need to know where everyone qualified vs your Q spot to make sure the uninformed staging Lane employee doesn’t miss you.

It can make a difference. I was an alternate in SS before and made it to the semi finals and had a legit shot at winning.

Could have easily been left hanging in the lanes.

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The "NHRA Leadership" seems to ignore just what Indy means to many of it's Sportsman members. There are MANY Sportsman Racers who make it one of their lifetime goals to go to Indy, qualify at Indy and if not qualify, get in the field. Even if that means as an alternate. The significance of this is lost (or ignored) to the leadership.

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They should have the alternates put the number they qualified at on there windshield in big numbers. 129, 130 Etc Etc. and have them in a row of there own.

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Free REDMAN.
We never had this problem when Redman was in the house
Nhra has cut help the the bare minimum

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Last year it was announced on April 11.

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So it appears AHFS is in effect this year unless someone can show otherwise?

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Will some one please contact the Competition Dept. or the D3 Division Director to get a definitive answer to the AHFS at Indy question and post it here.

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I haven't been able to find otherwise, the only announcement's I've found were from 2023, the 2023 changes (https://www.nhraracer.com/content/ge...699&zoneid=132) say exempt events and national opens don't count, but I do not see any list of exempt events for 2024, and no announcement for the US Nationals for 2024.

I found the anoucement for 2023 here (but have not found any announcement for 2024): https://nhraracer.com/content/genera...Hxq8MGLaTaWqwE

Hope fully someone can get clarification for this year.

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No AHFS in S/SS at Indy in 2024!!!

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Where didyou see the announcement?

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Randy is the Div 7 SRAC rep.

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NO AFHS at Indy is posted on NHRA competition website as of July 2- 2024

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That works for me.
Has anyone been successful in getting an elephant to move quickly in 60'?
Asking for a friend.

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From NHRA Racer dated July 2, 2024


NHRA U.S. Nationals Stock and Super Stock Runs Excluded From Automatic Horsepower Factoring System
NHRA has announced that the Automatic Horsepower Factoring system will not be used during this year?s NHRA U.S. Nationals. As a result, runs made by Stock and Super Stock competitors at any time during the event will not count towards class averages, nor will they be used to trigger index or horsepower adjustments.



This decision was reached as the result of competitor requests. During those discussions, a significant number of competitors expressed the desire to show the full performance potential of their cars during NHRA?s most prestigious event without fear of future horsepower and/or index penalties.



The AFHS will remain in effect for all other NHRA Mission Foods National, Lucas Oil Series divisional events, and JEGS SportsNationals.

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Has anyone been successful in getting an elephant to move quickly in 60'?
Asking for a friend.

I hear if you put a mouse behind it...

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I was the 3rd alternate last year and also the first car in the staging lanes that morning. It was kind of a mess but I stayed very close to the nhra people so I wouldn?t get passed over. The nhra people kept trying to get info from the tower but weren?t having much luck. Randi Lyn sort of took charge and got the first three alternates lined up.
I really appreciated that they allowed alternates to run even though I managed to red light first round.

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Glad to see this but I just wish this was the rule for all class run offs. Class run offs have no bearing on points. Put the fun back into class racing.

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At a minimum, give us a Non-AHFS race out west

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Sante, All seven SRAC reps proposed this in meeting, having a non AHFS CLASS race like Indy on each coast. Gainesville,Indy,Las Vegas. I would love to see this happen!!!

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I will try it. Thank you

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Bob good idea but I would add a twist. C1 is a Q run so it needs to go in the average with all of the rewards and benefits afforded by the AHFS. After C1, Class is a race within a race, like the All Stars, the runs should not count for AHFS after C1. Only Q runs and E runs during eliminations should count. A heads up in elimination will count for AHFS, but not C2 and beyond in the race within a race.

With sportsman matching for C1 it could be some interesting wheel racing tip toeing to the finish line.

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I vote for this as well. Not everyone can get to Indy.

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NHRA posted this in case there's doubt in anyone's mind....


https://www.nhraracer.com/content/ge...058&zoneid=132

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Try bouncing more

When moving quickly, elephants may switch from a pendulum-like gait to a bouncing gait, similar to a pogo stick, without leaving the ground. This fits the biomechanical definition of running. Elephants may also flex their limbs to move more smoothly. Hope this helps Larry.

Paul H

Re: AHFS @ Indy 2024
 

I heard from a friend that sprinkling the hay with nitro makes an elephant snap right to attention?.

Your results may vary

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Earlier in the year they announced it was off. It would be anticlimactic to have it there with class. I'd withdraw the race and I live here. Many others would too. They've done enuf crowding S/SS into one day.
For those naysayers? If your not striving to win Class at Indy, your not a true S/SSer. With all due respect, either pay your dues in years like many of us have or goback to the bracket classes.
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