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Why are there, like, 15 Stock national records listed? As spirited as everyone seems here about having the fastest X/XX car, there are almost no stock national records on the public NHRA page. Why is that? Do people just not want to go through the trouble of getting torn down and applying for the record? For example there is currently no record holder for the class I want to run, and the minimum ET to get it is only .50 under. No offense to anyone here, but it's laughable that I could potentially apply for a national record later this year and I'm not even close to being the fastest N/SA car in the country. I'm probably not even the fastest in the county, lol.

https://www.nhra.com/stats/class_indexes

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As soon as they get rid of that stupid 2 year rule, I'll go for it. What other sport do you know where a natl record is only good for 2 years?

Jim Caughlin
SS6019

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Oh is that what it is? They're only good for 2 years? That seems ridiculous.

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What about the double pts meets?
1. Can you change classes between the 2 events?
2. Could you set a record at each event?
3. Set a record one day and hit it again the next day?
Jim,
Not sure where the 2 year rule came from(or WHY), but 4 or 5 years or not at all night make it better IMHO.

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Records are no longer published in National Dragster. No money 💰 for setting a record. No contingency for records. Not a priority for racers of today. Many reasons…

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Back in the day someone would get into some rare air and put down a crazy number and somebody would cry. If NHRA would let it go for more years maybe more would do it. Also lack of tech guys. We went to Montgomery AL many years back to set the record along with about 50 others, tech lasted till early the next day.

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"Lack of tech guys' would make it even more logical to get rid of the 2 years rule. So just to clarify, if a runner at the Olympics sets a record in part because the weather conditions were ideal, that record should get thrown out after 2 years? Certainly a human benefits from optimal weather conditions more than an internal combustion engine but those records don't get thrown out?

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Humans don't have an AHFS....

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Lots more to it, but for a start, it doesn't benefit you much to run -1.00 at a divisional race.

Jim C, Just for the sake of discussion here, how many cars are in your specific class, in the whole country?

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I really wish NHRA would rethink the national records and throw some incentive to do it. Cause I thought it was really cool to see a car with " National record holder" and a list of years painted on the car. I used to be so excited to get the Dragster and go straight to the back to see the new records. It would still be cool if some things were changed.



Bret Velde
2003 I/SA

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They used to put record breakers on the bottom of the results. Also didn't some tracks give a jacket for the record setters?

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JMO if you get selected for teardown at any event, for instance like I did at Indy 2022 and are above the record in qualifying/class eliminator, you should be given the record.. Brian Seaberg 627

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My thoughts on national records.

1. Records are set at points races.

2. During qualifying you place an "r " on the window as we've done in the past

3 If you achieve the record and pass tear down all your runs for that event do not count towards the ahfs. If you fail to set the record all the runs count towards ahfs.

3. Each racer can earn 10 pts once a season for setting a record.

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or gain a grade point

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I really think many tech officials look at setting a record at a points race as a burden. I used to set records every year, but it’s something that has lost its value to everyone including NHRA. I do not regret the time of setting records, as they were great times. Tear down was a major right of passage for me for records or getting picked by tech officials

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The only place to set a record without hurting your combination is at National Opens. I don't know about other divisions, but in Division 7 the National opens are in the summer when tracks are slow and we usually don't run until after junior dagsters around 11 am. Good luck setting a record in those conditions.

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This year there is no schedule for national opens in Div 7

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When I last set the record (2011?) I didn't get a picture or even a line in the results in Nat Dragster. NHRA hasn't cared much since then!

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I just checked the Division 7 schedule and they have posted a National Open at Top Gun Raceway, Fallen Nevada on June 1-2.

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Well that’s a start, but not a place to set a record. 12 sec cars have a difficult time getting down that track. Hopefully a natl open at Redding???would provide a better opportunity to set a record

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Jared Jordan suggested a National Open at Famoso right before the Winternationals but I assume the ship has sailed. Maybe a National Open at Sonoma right before or after the National event in July? It would make that race a lot more attractive, it seems car counts are down at that National event since they eliminated the LDRS race there.

Darin Grossi

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We have set the National Record before at Top Gun.

We do not have any particular problem getting down
the track, not any more than anywhere else.

However, June is not a great time to set a record there due to the Heat.

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Being that the U.S. Nationals is a non AHFS race, the big dogs attend to race class and all the Divisional Tech teams are there why not set records as long as the schedule permits tear down unlike last year?

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because it’s a national event….

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what is the link for current records 1/8 and 1/4 mile

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Go here
https://www.nhra.com/stats/class_indexes
&
Click on 1/4 Mile Records
Then click on the Eliminator you want to search the records in IE: Super Stock or Stock

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The whole deal with National Dragster stands out.

I understand NO-ONE at ND wants to gather up the current records and publish them 3 or 4 times a year.

Their way of filling up a page in ND is to grab an old grainy black and white photo from the 50's or 60's and make that fill the page.

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If NHRA put a shelf life of 10 years I would go back attempting records.

Heck, I might even do it for 5 years

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It's strange there are a couple of 10 year old records still listed ( AAA/S and AAA/SA )

All others were vacated after 2 years

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I don't know squat about nothin'...BUT, in my little pea brain, you should have the record until someone betters it...

As for the ND, I would think if they thought they could go digital only they would, and it most likely will at some point...
Have you noticed the local papers?...
Barely enough there to clean the bird cage...
(and they still want you to pay for your digital content, the nerve!)

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This conversation may turn for the better now! Bobby Fazio has announced that instead of pleading with National Dragster to put them in like they used to, he has teamed up with Drag Insights, Tim Stickles with his gutter company, and a few others to take out a full page add in this summer's and winter ND issue to post all the current and new records!!! Looks like we class racers will band together and get them in there one way or another. Thanks Bobby!!

It's lame that this is what it's come to, but if you set a record between now and July, it WILL be in ND thanks to Driver Interviews with Bobby Fazio.

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This is a bad thing to do, once NHRA gets paid to post National Records in the Digger, that is the last chance for them to ever be posted for free. Same comment as before, not going to waste my time until the two year rule goes away.

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Remembering back. The only way Pro Mod was accepted as a NHRA national event class was when the racers themselves funded the payout and expenses and a lot of things have changed after that. Pay to play was a bad thing back then, still is, and shines the spotlight that MBAs and not racers are now firmly in charge.

IMO, it started the NHRA thinking that things they once were supposed to do could be pushed off on to others or even monetized.

I am all for sportsman racers getting the credit they deserve and miss that a national record doesn't mean anything to the suits. I don't have a good solution - happy to see new listings happen, but sad to see them ignore the basics as it will only encourage them to continue that in any way they can. How else can bonuses keep increasing?

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National Records just won't have the status they once had, until every division has at least one National Open, whereas the AHFS doesn't apply, at a track location and time of year that record runs can actually be made. Division Directors need to understand this is a priority in the schedule or it won't happen.

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For those newer racers that haven't experienced the thrills associated with setting records at a fast track against your top competitors, "Four Days in May" is a great video capturing the excitement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onu6Ly2oeZg

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Four of the Most Incredible, Exciting and Interesting Days at Mission. MB

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Hats off to the guys who still run hard and set records!

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Kinda off the subject, but I think anyone who goes 'too fast' and gets torn down by NHRA, if you have gone faster than the current record for the class you should get the record if/when you pass teardown.

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I was in a situation very similar but not really. At Indy last year I was #2 and was asked to make a visit to the barn. I had been helping a buddy who runs COMP so I was on the east side of the track most of the afternoon. I had a fellow racer friend tell me that tech was looking for me. I laughed and said I drove by them pulling Mark Kirkman's A/DA across the scales and for fuel check.
It was after 3:00 if I remember and Pete said the wanted to look at my cylinder head. Knowing that it was going to be a time crunch I agreed and went through the teardown.

We passed the teardown and with the help of Jimmy Ronzello and Mark Kirkman worked to get it back together for eliminations on Friday morning. At Midnight with about 3 hours of work remaining I pulled the plug and decided I wasn't going to continue.
In the morning I asked NHRA Tech if they would seal the engine. I had planned to set another record in FS/G since my old record and combination in FS/I was going to expire in October. I wanted to avoid needing to tear the engine down again at the Fall Classic after running record a record attempt.
After some discussion with other NHRA officials they agreed to seal the engine for the Fall Classic record runs. Typically this doesn't happen. One of the benefits is that the same tech team would be working the Fall Classic as worked my teardown at Indy.

I was going to run the car in Super Stock at St Louis. I changed the transmission to my clutchless and removed 40 pounds for Super Stock. After St Louis I re installed the clutch assisted transmission and added the required weight.

Pete and Dave had both put seals on the critical bolts at Indy. They both had the cell phone pictures of the seals. After the record runs they verified the seals and checked many other items that didn't require removing a head. They did check my transmission and wheelbase as well.

I think that like many have said earlier, the benefit's are not there to go through the process. I consider setting record and passing teardown a validation of the level of performance. I'm old school.


Robin

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Did anyone set a record at Gainesville this last weekend? Seems like with so many class records at the minimum, there should have been at least a few records set, if their willing to go through the tear down for the honor of holding the record.