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The Present Points system to win the World Championship needs fine tunning to go to at least 14 events to win $15,000 in Super Stock and $10,000 in Stock is a pathetic purse The racer has to spend a huge amount of money to win no doubt calculating all expenses including Cost of towing vehicles etc. , Now this is what I would like to see the winner and runner up of each Division Championship race go to a neutral track for a shoot out to determine the National Championship, No out of division races count must strictly be in your division that you claim at the start of the racing year , This system would make the cost very affordable for Most of the racers plus a company give more money to the winners by getting a specific sponsor for the “World Finals Shoot Out” , say sponsored By the car manufacturers or some high profile company that would like to be involved in Sponsoring but does not want to pay the high cost of a national event with the pros , Or have 10 companies sponsor this race at $5,000 each for the purse . Flame away lol

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I think that’s how it used to be. Whoever won the world finals was the champion for the next year. Wasn’t centrally locate though. You are right the purse is low for winning a national championship. That won’t change unfortunately.

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NHRA change for the bedder never

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So.....Someone who has a perfect season, with the exception of a "Special Race", can loose to a person...who quite possibly never won a race the entire year...and was not even a division winner.

Yah.....No!!!

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If it was only in divisions, sure sounds a lot like the jegs all stars to me….

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The division champion and the runner up can go to the Shoot out This solves the high costs of having to travel to over 14 races We are sportsman not travling pros is best to know in My opinion

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Oh really! When the Ivory Tower guys look out at the Sportsmen pits today and see all of those high-end motor coaches I would think that you're going to have a pretty hard time convincing them of that!

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we have a new system here in Oz this season . A western and eastern conference , you can run as much as you want with a 300 point cap plus travel bonus (only given at 1 or 2 tracks)points stay in conference .You can run both conferences if you choose . Then an invitational to national grand final for national #1 etc . This is based off your best 4 results racing in any conference but you must do 1 away(interstate) race , you all go in on zero points so winner is #1.
This does help to lower travel costs , but only to a degree as we have long hauls between tracks , minimum 10hours to closest away track for me . I think racers from Western Oz have to travel 2 -2 1/2 days to next track .
And you would cry if you saw the $ on offer , I doubt you would open your trailers.

Tex

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So who would pay for the travel to this extra race? Also, speaking of a pathetic payout, how about those huge Division championship purses!!! A whopping $3000 to win SS! I won the same amount in 2007! Back then I thought that was a small payout for winning a championship! Maybe increase those to put some emphasis back on LODRS races!

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Hey Keith brings back memories of the IHRA Days? Win a race in February and don't race till October to win the WC.

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And a DD once told me that, he told me "look out into the pits, do you really think these guys are running for the money". I think it has been proven over time between separate Big $$$ sportsman type events (Mike Beard, Lee & Brian, Ken & Tim, Tyler & Myself) it's all about the gold man at the end of the weekend for a lot of people.

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Yeah what Don said and laid out is almost exactly what IHRA did in it’s waning days. Didn’t wanna go down that route but I’ll go ahead anyway, yes I won an IHRA world points championship running the way NHRA does now,(and felt like I earned it!)
then I also won a world championship as Don describes. they took the top three out of every division, and anyone that had won a national event, and we all had a big race at the end of the year and I believe the first one might’ve been Rockingham and then later in Memphis, I came out of the number three slot in the division, and won that race, it made me a world champion. I really didn’t feel like it. of course I took the money and all the glory, but it just wasn’t the same and I feel sorry for all those that had collected way more points. I gotta agree with bill Grubbs.
It’s not the way to have a championship when you could win and not win a single race, while someone else had a near perfect season but loose in the winner take all race.

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So Basically a racer in order to win the world Championship has to go to at least 14 races a year ,spend appx $50,000 to $150,000 to win the Purse for Stock at $10,000 and Super Stock at $15,000 . The Purse that NHRA offers is a joke and my point is that NHRA needs to adress this regardless of how Much Money a racer has or spends > If i were NHRA I would be embaressed about the purse structrue for Stock and Super Stock and it seems not too many of us try to get the purse increased by even talking to The decision Makers at NHRA That is one of my points we need to be more professionally vocal with NHRA .

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Yes.


WOW! Where do you get those numbers? I currently budget around $17,000.00 per car to run the NHRA points. That is entry fees, diesel, and hotels.


Where does the new money come from?

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,I am including the the total investment divided by the number of races to go to to make a run for the World chamionship racing operation to go to 14 races to win the purse is what i mean to say. There just needs the Racers reps to bring up the low purse concerns to NHRA

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Stop screwing around and just win your closest 7 events.

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Not that I want people to think that I'm feeling sorry for them BUT, take a look at the Pro purses vs. the monies spent if you want to talk about "purse structures".

OBTW, while we're talking about the ridiculous purses let us remember, we're ALL running for the same amount of money. I think that for the time being, I'll just keep playing with my "junk".

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That method seemed to work rather well for Kyle Rizzoli this year, didn`t it? Even with taking off 4 months in the middle of the season!

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If you want to cut down on expense, What would happen if you counted
your best 6 out of 8 LODRS events, and your best 2 out of 3 National
Events?

J.R.

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How about just using using your Home LODRS only, then have the shoot out with the winner and runner up of each division Going to the World Finals Shoot out making the Purse huge, Not every racer has the time or finances to go to 14 races to win the low purse Just throwing around some ideas during the off season lol

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Bidenomics?

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Brian, Exactly.
A couple of years ago I figured up the cost of travel & entries to the complete NMCA series. I figured my fuel (gas) at $3.50 a gallon.( Yes it was Trump times) I have no hotel cost (LQ Trailer) I figured the entry cost, too. Even for me out here on the Texas/Arkansas border it was less than $9,000 for the 6 race series.
I'm pretty sure that mileage would be almost as much as a NHRA div race series and the Nationals required for a Championship. It would be interesting to hear from the Emmons family on the cost of a NHRA Championship. If you are winning races I bet a Championship
can impact your tax liability. NHRA has it right with the exception of points for records.( make Records worth something) No other changes...

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The pro racers get multi million dollar sponsorships.


I find it amusing that anyone thinks that because some racers have a nicer rig, it's okay to keep the purse low.


And just because a racer loves to race, isn't a reason not to work for the racers to give them the opportunity for a bigger purse.

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Hey Adger hope all is well with You oh by the ways did you figure the cost and Up keep on the trailer or tow vehicle including insurace etc ?

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Hey, let me in on your source for free cars, free race fuel, free slicks, free motor oil, spark plugs, and engine freshen ups. And that's not all. But you have to have all of that covered before entry fees, diesel, and lodging is even necessary.




"New money" could come from NHRA reducing their unnecessary management costs, like a lot of major corporations are doing.

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I almost agree. But round wins and over all wins in class should score points as well. The performance side of the class should be well incentivized.

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I understand that, I was just making a statement.


I certainly hope that you're not referring to me.


I don't believe that ANY Racer "loves to race" more than me. And having supported my racing by racing for a long time, I find today's purses personally insulting.


If I have insulted ANY Racer with my written thoughts, I apologize. HOWEVER, I will continue to race my junk for as long as I enjoy the challenge of it and the people that I meet.
Just one more thing, I have always considered my racing as a business. Now, I'm not a Biondo or Fletcher but I've done OK and it's not good "business" to spend dollars to make pennies.

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That time will come only when the Sportsmen all find the scrodes to stand together and fire the BOD. In other words, never happen!

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I agree with the sentiment, but since the proxy vote a long time ago I don't see any way that the membership can do a single thing regarding the board. The rights were given away - it was in the Wally days and most racers I talked to were certain they'd always be taken care of.


In reading all the paperwork I could find, only the board can change the board.

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First, I run my program as a business. So, all assets have a depreciation schedule. But, if you wanted to put a yearly schedule on truck, trailer, and racecar, it would be less than $20,000.00 a year. My maintenance is less than $5,000.00 per car each year. This excludes upgrades as they are not a necessity.


I don't see that there is really that much money in that pot, even if you do get your wish.

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To enhance the purse, the racers can put together a cal-cutter like they do at bracket races. Any racer can enter, even spectators and the last man standing gets the purse. Doesn't mean you have to win the race, you just have to be last that entered the cal-cutter or spectator that entered your car. Doesn't have to be big money, say $10. Per entry.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

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Entered one at the Vegas National in 2020 for $100. Took home the money! Would definitely do it again.

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Don,
That is taken care of by my business that owns the truck and trailer and uses it for advertisement.
I figured your insurance business would be doing the same.
Thanks. all good here except the Flu has the wife and me.
Merry Christmas to you and your family.

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Correct Expenses are expensive in anyway we show them The Purses are a insult to us racers still and in My opinion the Points system for the World Championshp chase needs to be changed so you do not have to go to 14 races Merry Christmas to you Adger and Your family ,

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I'd be satisfied just to see it go to my friends in Tech and on the Safety Safari. Those guys deserve it more than anyone.

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I would be in agreement on that!

Merry Christmas!!

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I'm sure you young guys don't know or remember but we won more money back it the 70s when gas was around $0.50 a gallon and the cost of going to a race wasn't killing anyone. And yes... companies who posted and provided us with decals had to pay up or one call to NHRA and they would go after them to pay up

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Absolute fact.




And this is one of the two biggest problems, purse wise. Both are directly related to poor performance on the part of NHRA.


You know, people love to point out that independent promoters, such as Butner, Biondo, Bohannon, Connelly, etc., seem to be able to put on big money races, but no one shows, because there's no little gold man.


If those independent promoters can create big money races, why can't NHRA go get that same money, and put it on the line when there is little gold man up for grabs? The money is OBVIOUSLY out there.

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Who's to say they're not? Who in any of the Sportsmen eliminators (or pros for that matter) is in a position to know just what the "Ivory Tower Boys" are up to? There is no oversight. They can generate income where ever they want and spend it (or not) where ever it does them the most good. And it's not on us. We just continue to show up, happy to have a place to race.
When we (the NHRA Members) gave away our proxy ('81,'82?) we gave away our souls. We didn't even sell them.

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Billy, if they were actually getting that money, it wouldn't be as easily available to the other promoters.


By all means, you're correct, they're not spending money on the sportsman racers. There's no oversight.


And the racers will not unite. The premise that there is strength in numbers is false. The strength is in unity. Which the racers lack, because they're too blinded by their own little agenda.