Fixing National Event Sportsman Quotas
 

Luke and Jed present an interesting idea to “fix” National event quotas. Listen in….fast forward to about 27:00 minutes.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000636399467

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it leaves 5 races with no divisonals. 2- pomona, 2 charlotte, and sonoma.

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Changing the index for the Super categories would help in a number of ways. The spectators hate the stop and go cars, They don't like watching it.
They vacate the stands when they are on the track. Reducing their index will also speed up the program.

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the spectators at a National event hate every class, every car except the Nitro Cars! They don't watch any of them. They vacate the stands when anything is on the track but the Nitro cars.

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I have been going to the Brainerd National every year since 2007 and this couldn't be more true. People will not even stick around for Pro Stock anymore...

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One of the few exceptions is for S/SS day at Indy, when the 50 or so real car fans come out.

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As much as I'd like to see the indexes changes if for no other reason to better reflect what these cars can actually run today as opposed to what they could run decades ago when these classes were formed, it's not going to happen and will not "help" in any way because the vocal minority, mostly old men that run these classes are afraid they won't be as competitive when the truth is most of them aren't competitive now and it's not due to their car/power.

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Ed, I'm getting worried..Agreeing too much with you lately LOL

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Are you saying you'd like to see it changed because your ego would rather see your car staged with 7.90 on the board rather than 8.90? Who is going to be impressed by that or really notice a difference while watching it?

It's an arbitrary number, really. Lowering the number would not make the run any more enjoyable; it would only drive out those on the slow end of the class.

It might make the fastest cars 'better' by not having to be on the stop so low/long, but if so that's their fault for making way more HP than is necessary.

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:D:D there's always common ground for all of us to agree

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no not my ego, my ego is satisfied by my son's driving prowess and the fact that I built a 6.80 dragster. the indexes should be lower because IMO and others it's ridiculous that the NHRA is still indexing these classes as they did 30+ years ago when a mid 8 second dragster was fast! Today many of the cars competing in S/C can run flat out from 6.70s to 7.30s. That said lowering the indexes will not have 1 more person watching the .90 classes.

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If memory serves correct you are right. It was a way to help soften the backlash from the Modified Eliminator elimination too. Super Gas was a door car class where some of the Anglias Monzas and Vegas wound up and Super Comp found some of the old Econo dragsters and Altered wound up. Throttle Stops weren’t invented yet and a lot of adding weight and pedal stops were used to hit the number
. Modifiedcars also had Comp Eliminator for some to fall into and Super Stock for some. So when people say bring back Modified Eliminator I get confused. It’s still there just backyard built tunnel rammed small blocks with 5 speeds are no longer backyard built. Take a look at what Comp is today with the Super Modified classes and Altered classes and those would have been a lot of your MP cars today. Sorry. Different rant. My mind wanders.

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Nothing is going backwards, the 90s are long gone no mind the 70s! We don't do dry hops anymore and there's no bleach in the water box. Typewriters, VHS/VCRs and princess phones are never coming back either.:D

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Seems to me this 90 stuff should be on the 90 columns and not super, stock column. Someone who can run two seconds under the index and then wants them lowered, should look at what they are doing. I believe you should start on something that is a challenge, instead of complaining...

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I ain't complaining, we've done every well in S/C the past 5 years and you don't make the rules here.

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Now there's a NO ****TER!!!

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thats when i leave stands

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this isn't about you/us, we are sportsman/class racers not spectators, that wouldn't be there if not for competing at the event.

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My “opinion” is that, if I built a 190mph 9.90 car so I can always be the chaser… if you lower the index I’ll still run 190 but at 8.80. Or, I’ll build a motor to run 200@8.90…. And zero has changed. Still a 2 second delay as I ensure I am the fastest and always chase.

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My opinion is that it's ridiculous that .90 cars today, specially S/C and S/G are still indexed as they were over 3 decades ago and ET slower than some stockers and all the FSS cars.

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Seems to me that around the last half of the 1970's, Sacramento Raceway used to have an indexed class which featured big inch big block Chevys, four speeds, Dana 60 rear ends and all and most of the hitters were 55-57 Chevys and they ran on a 9.50 index. Giant wheel stands, four speeds, excitement, the crowds loved it. It was called Pro Gas. After a few seasons and some car magazine coverage, Orange County Raceway tried it and it took off pretty well down there. Then, NHRA decided to feature it to see what the crowd would say about it and it got called Super Gas as we still know it today. That was a door car class that the fans loved. It was featured by NHRA at the 1980 Winternationals and it was well received. It seems, however, that the original crowd pleasing concept was lost pretty quickly. Something that was rather exciting like that was liked then, who is to say an exciting and competitive category like that might not be appealing now?

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I don't race the 90 classes. But sometime ago I did some simulations for someone that does. As you say MPH. He didn't want to run any quicker ET but wanted to pickup another 10 MPH on the top end.


Stan

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Hi Greg! I think that it's called "Southeast Gassers" now!

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again, the 90s are long gone no mind the 70s! you've got to stop talking about what was and thinking that it's as easy as turning the clock back 50 years.

THAT car culture, that love of cars is long gone and not ever coming back with today's youth and beyond and those young men 17-25 and their girlfriends or wives that made up the crowd then are now in their late 60s to mid 70s, those that are still alive and few of them are still coming to spectate at an NHRA National event.

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You are living in a bubble. In the Southeast, the car culture is still pretty strong. We have a lot of heads-up series that are very popular and draw BIG crowds.

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I'm not, but you are, I've raced in the southeast at numerous tracks, both bracket racing and NHRA Divisionals and what we do is not heads up racing

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What does any of this have to do with the original post of fixing national event quotas?

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I'm sorry, I guess I got caught up in your generalizations?

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Speaking of which, do they really need to be fixed at all? I don’t like it anymore than most on here but it is what it is. There was a time when we mailed in our intentions and were sent back a letter to say if we were even invited to participate or not.
There is only a limited amount of time. They have already cut out some classes at nationals so more in other classes can get in. Pretty soon we won’t have any national events to attend at all. I’ve said it 100 times the more we sit on these forums and bitch about it the more they laugh and figure out what they can do to screw us some more.
We already have super stock. What if they cut out stock to bring in? Let’s say an exhibition class of nothing but electric vehicles that’s the new wave isn’t it? I’m sure Eddie would love that. We already lost our manufacturers midway so that you can’t even buy auto parts at a national anymore but you can sure buy a lawnmower. That’s what I need at a national, a lawnmower I think you get my point