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There sure were some fast runs at the last few races out west. Real average busters. I was watching Bobby Fazio walking in the lanes at Pomona. Bobby ran into Pat Cvengros inspecting for blinders it looked like. Pat mentionrd he will be making a few friends in a couple weeks. It seem to me a few already know.

Paul Haszlauer


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Which combos look most likely to get a lump of coal for Christmas?

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I'm pretty sure that the COPO 302/350 and 2016-up 427 will get some love...

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69 Camaro 350 2bbl combo.

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I never have seen Richie Pauley run his 428 Mustang as hard as he did at the last races. I would guess that is one. 396/325 maybe, low compression 340s might be adding weight.

Paul

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2018 and up copo 427 looks like getting 70lbs

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Richie holds a lot back!

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I hope they make some changes to the AHFS so I can put my timing back to normal, take some weight out and dump a gallon of oil out. Running cars like this in a performance class SUCKS. BP

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I have a 10 qt oil pan and your telling me I can take a quart out and only run nine.

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Hey Larry

You can run 79 1/2 ounces if you’d like lol
Right Cooter

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Just don't make any sudden stops and you're fine!

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2.484375 qts. of oil WOW

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Results may vary depending on your application Mr Larry but it has worked in a 350 tpi motor lol

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I know this is really far fetched but is it possible that any of these problems could be related to the indexes? At Indy "I/sa" car under the "A/sa" index, "J/sa" car under the "B/sa" index, "N/sa" car under the "D/sa" index, etc.
No dog in the fight but just a thought.

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and if there were any "common sense" involved, the I and J cars would be deemed either not quite legal or in need of HP. Take your pick.
Having been at Indy, IMHO tech was a little on the light side and the cars that were checked were, again IMHO, pretty "safe" teardowns.

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Yes sir may I have another horsepower or two. Just make me work harder Billy. Lol

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Here ya go Glenn,

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...f&action=click

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Ok Billy so picking a combo that is factored well and then working hard on it should get it horsepower. And why did I pick a performance class.............should just be bracket racing then. So you never picked a combo that wasn't factored to death and ran well with it ?

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Glenn, you picked a "combo that is factored well" knowing that if you worked hard on it you would go fast with it. You "picked a performance class" because you choose to gauge yourself against others who do the same. And being in the business you're in, I would think that would be a part of doing business. The only business I'm in at this point in my life is monkey business.
You and I both know what kind of combos I pick, generally poor combos that I can work hard on to try and get them to somewhat compare to good combos.
Now the combos that I have picked that are "well factored" combos are usually junk and that's how they are treated. But you know that.

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Billy how dare you call any of those combo's soft. You have one of the softest combo's out there. How many of those dime ( Junk yard ) rockets have you even take the motor out and do as much as you can under the stock rules. Ever try to get a piston approved for your dime rockets? Give one of your cars to Glenn and I'll bet it end up gong 1.50 under.

Glenn, Billy picks combo's softer than yours he just has no clue on what to do to make it go fast. BP

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Billy,

Confused on your use of the word "safe". Can you elaborate on that?

Robin

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Now that right there is hilarious! Completely off the mark but hilarious to think "Billy doesn't know"..Bwahahahahaha!!

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Damn Straight! All these FWD racers put skinnies on the back and thank that they are hero's racink junk!

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It is possible he is trying to make it a natural B car in which case it’s possible he will be removing weight lol . Not 100% sure if that’s his plan but at one point in time we did have a combo that would work well as a higher natural class but boy did we get flamed first before people understood what was being done lol . I also question why so many were running so hard but I do think the mineshaft rule should have never been taken away . IMO

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That combo is a natural B.

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Glenn picked a good combo but still is the fastest of that combo that I’ve ever seen yet and definitely works hard to get every thousandth of a second out of that combo. If it gets a hit, I’m sure Glenn will pick it right back up or do whatever he thinks best.
Billy also works hard but in a different way striving to do the most with the least.
2 hard working racers achieving similar goals in very different ways.
Best of luck to both of you going forward.

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Robin, there's no way that you are going to go to Indy with "bogus" stuff. Therefore,"safe".

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Now don't go and trash the few Racers out there racing FWD combos! I'm the only one (to my knowledge) running "junk"!
If it's so easy, everyone would be doing it.
You should try it sometime. ;-)

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Not knocking the few that race FWD but your effort pales compared to the guy's running real cars! Cry all you want! You don't have the respect of real combo racers! You can be Ken's friends all you want but the 99% don't care!

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Possibly the 2009-2010 6.1 Challenger. Mitch has it now. That one car has been its own trail blazzer.

Paul

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Ya know Bob, I don't want to de-rail this thread as it's an important subject at this time. BUT just to fill you in, the most difficult part of doing a FWD combo is finding the parts! They don't exist. The pieces that the average Racer takes for granted (gears, trans, converters, cams, headers) aren't there. They need to be sourced from channels rather than the norm. A lot of thought has to go into a FWD combo.
The End.

Now about Ken, if I'm one of "Ken's friends", then he should raise his standards.

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Billy were not friends you hurt my feeling ...Well if you live in the peoples republic of new jersey you need to have questionable standards... lol ... So when will they release the new HP numbers ???

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Take a little winter time ribbing. We all have opinions! If you get but hurt on a public forum, drink some tea and relax! LOL

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Dan I've known Billy for the better part of 40 years. I know what he is capable of. He chooses to race the way he does and I don't really have a problem with it. But he's quick to point his finger at other combo's including mine. I like to sometimes point a finger back at him. His combo is as soft as all the rest of them. If I ran my car on his racing budget I would be lucky to run under the index.

At Indy this year 132 Stockers out of 146 went fast enough to get HP if they took Indy as the combo's average. Indy was faster than most years but it's still Indy and by no means was mine shaft air. The index's are soft as all heck and most of us had too play the AHFS game all year not to get hit HP at the end of the year. To me that's sad for what once was a performance based class.

If the AHFS is truly ever going to work for the reasons it was first implemented It needs to have some big changes. I don't see it happening, but I hold out hope that our reps can actually influence those in power to make some changes to help bring performance back into class racing without the fear of those that like to go fast getting their combo's ruined. BP

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I wonder if anyone that had to play "the game" ever stopped to think that maybe they have to play "the game" because their combo is soft... The only thing lowering the indexes is going to do, is widen the gap between those with money, and those without. There are lots of cars, for example, those playing "the game" that, if the indexes were moved .3, can, for example, move their distributor, pull out some oil, un-pin the secondaries on their holley's, etc, and easily gain back .2 if not the full .3, and still be a 1.0 under player. Unfortunately, young racers like me, that can't afford to go to engine builder x,y or z and ask for a 1.2+ second under engine that somehow magically passes tech, would be forced to accept the fact that my .5-.6 under car, is now a .2-.3 under car, and if I somehow found those .3 back, I'm still only a .5 under car. But hey, at least the rich guys with the fast cars could then run their cars all out.

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I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But, I feel that the argument that you have to be rich to go fast is weak.

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I understand their is flaw with that statement. There are definitely some combos than can be done and go fast on a budget. However, the amount of fast cars currently being raced that are high dollar definitely outweighs the number of "dime rockets" being raced. I think it is a much more effective solution to give a handful of combinations horsepower rather than pushing the slow guys out of the game.

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Wow! Two posts in a row written by two Racers that I have a great deal of respect for (believe-it-or-not!) coming at this from two completely different sides of the discussion/argument!

Barry knows that he has a great combo which has been helped by heads and an intake/carb that, although "legal replacements" are far better than what came on the combo. I can't blame him for picking such a combo to spend his money on and (to his credit) Barry isn't afraid to spend his money in the right places. Now Barry could have built a '70 402/350/330 or a '71 402/300/315 and I doubt very much that he would be wanting the indexes moved .3. Barry knowingly picked the "better" combo and ran with it knowing that he could (more-than-likely) go fast enough to hurt himself.

Doug knows that his combo ain't the best, a '70 350/300/286 but it's what he could afford to "scrounge" together while working part time and going to college. Now Doug could have built a '70 350/250/224 with the carb that never came on a car that NHRA (somehow) made available and I'm pretty sure that he would be wanting the indexes moved .3.

What I'm hoping to make clear here is that NHRA has to come up with a way to expedite(?) satisfying this crusty old poop and this young punk without losing them while at the same time encouraging other Racers to come in or come back to the fold.
They need to react to what they've done to "enhanced" combos and "no-longer- competitive" (yeah, we need Oldsmobiles and Ramblers Too!) combos far quicker and in a "commonsense" way. Even if it means having to talk to Real Racers, not just their buddies.

OBTW NHRA, I'm always available and willing to discuss combos but I've been known to be a bit harsh at times. ;-)

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Billy just to remind you again ( for about the fourth time) I bought my car 4 years ago as an already running Stocker with that engine combo in it for 20 grand. It may not be your cup of tea but for me it was too cheap to pass up. And I had waited long enough at my local junk yards for you to show up and help me find my future Stocker.

Sorry Billy but your idea of what Stockers are left the building long ago and it's not coming back. I had nothing to do with it but I accept it and you should too. Or get professional help.

As you well know it's not just about spending money. I've had to many racers who don't work on their cars nor are willing to spend any money on them tell me their combo aren't very good!! One thing I've learned in 45 years of doing this is you can't make your car faster letting it sit in your trailer from race to race.

I think it's great that Doug was able to build a car on a budget while going to school. But just because he isn't able to run 1.20 under doesn't mean his combo is not able to. It's an easy 1.20 under car with time and money. Not saying he has to spend the money. All you have to do is be able to run the index to win.

I don't think changing the index's is the real problem. The AHFS needs to change so when you do go fast say up until about 1.30 the HP hit is not combo wrecking. The HP percentage for under the index's needs to change.
The .85 under average is a joke to get hit HP. If you didn't think so before Indy should have been eye opening. Bump it to at least 1 under and drop the percentage of HP hits you get all the way up to 1.30 under. The 1970 402 Nova's had to add 130 lbs in weight with just one hit 1.21 under in really good air. For an example. It's now rated 15HP more than the 1970 Camaro's.

You might get some of us racers who still care about the ET performance to put the hammer down. BP






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Barry, as usual you've missed my point completely.