$10,000 AA/S SHOOTOUT at 2024 US NATIONALS
 

Gafftech Solutions is proud to announce that it will host/sponsor the $10,000 AA/S SHOOTOUT at the 2024 US Nationals.


We are happy to announce that we will run a AA/S Shootout in conjunction with the already very successful A/S and A/SA Shootout at the 2024 US Nationals


We encourage all AA/S competitors to reach out and give us any ideas or input on what they think we can do to make this Class Elimination one that we haven't seen for years. My cell: 613.229.9582(call or text)


$10,000 winning prize and custom AA/S Shootout trophy will be awarded. We will also be paying down to the Quarter Finalists.


NOTE: No entry fees to be involved or minimum car count required



***Shootout Rules will be posted early 2024***

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Damn ….:):):)

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Well that's one way to make sure an LS doesn't win lol

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You have plenty of time to make your combo fit AA/S. Same for the ‘15 combo. 😁😁

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This shootout sticks and automatic together?

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Dirk Olson Racing plans on making this a must go to race! I know my LS Buddies are not too happy with this, but it is the only way that the Carb cars can compete on a level playing field. I want to make a call to arms for all A/S competitors, drop some weight and come play it should be a HOOT! We talked about this at Indy and now it is a reality! I want to thank Kevin and Sean for getting this going!

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To be honest, I don’t think any of us could get enough hp hit to fit into AA. The best runs we have ever made were -1.15. It’s not even fast enough to get automatic hp once let alone many times. Just because the LS cars are faster than the carb combos doesn’t mean they are incredibly fast on index.

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***Shootout Rules will be posted early 2024***[/QUOTE]

How can there be special “rules” if you will be racing at the US Nationals. You either fit the class or you don’t!

I hope this happens! Should be fun to watch!

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I say they will treat this just like the Hemi Challenge. A race within a race. If that’s the case they can change rules. When I talked to Lonnie the national tech director he said if other classes start bitching about special rules for this race he said to say “ I am not racing against you this weekend “

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A different set of rules than NHRA provides for AA/S?

So a racer could enter G/SA in one car and enter AA/S in a different car?

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This is a great idea
But how many cars in the world fit AA/S?
Not many I believe

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I imagine, that with AA/S, and AA/SA both having the same index (10.70)
that this will be for sticks and autos?

J.R.

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I don’t think so JR …..:):)

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This shootout is for AA/S(stick only) competitors.

NHRA has zero involvement in this shootout.

Participation is volunteer and not mandatory. If you want to run AA/S outside the shootout rules for the NHRA Class Trophy only, that's fine.

This is not a separate race in a race...we will organize it just like the A/S & A/SA shootout does during the Stock Class Runoffs.

My brother and I are grateful for the friends we have made in the Stock community since acquiring our car...this is simply a way to thank them and revitalize the class.

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Participation is volunteer and not mandatory. If you want to run AA/S outside the shootout rules for the NHRA Class Trophy only, that's fine.

There are no separate rules to run the A/S challenge If the car fits the class your in.

Just an example? If your shootout rule states only bias ply tires to be run in this shootout and some run radials. The radial tire car or cars eliminate half the shootout field! How would this work?

Just thinking out laud. This should bring all the heavy hitters back to this race!

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Good morning to all,
Okay ,I'll bite - what would be different then the regular Stock Class rules that we already have?
Not that I've got a dog in this fight yet, But I'm very curious if the rules are any different, what are they?

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

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I would like to wait until the flyer is complete to give all the particulars...

With that said, the two main parameters of the shootout are as follows:

1. Both the Winner and Runner-Up will be subject to teardown

2. All participants must NOT weigh less than 20#'s under their A/S minimum(this will allow all participants to be on level playing field due to many of the cars not being able to get to minimum AA/S weight) Shootout Minimum Weight Stickers will be provided and verified after every run.

NOTE: Unless you are going to be participating, please refrain from negative commentary. This shootout is for a group in the Stock community which have given my brother and I so much. This media platform is the easiest way for me to reach out to all perspective competitors.

We would love to get as many attendees as possible. As previously stated, if any competitors have any questions, concerns and/or input, please feel free to call/text me at: 613.229.9582

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So the weight thing is kinda particular and narrows the cars down don’t you think? This nearly eliminates the ZL1 427 from being competitive in this shootout at all? So you are looking at 396 Camaros / novas and possibly
lower horse 427 Camaros ? The ZL1 would have to weight close to 3800lbs, that’s absurd by these rules.

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There has not been a AA/S car compete at Indy in over a decade. Of the 4 AA/S cars who ran in the NHRA last year, only 1 was a 450hp elephant car...the other 3 were A/S cars that usually ran A/S during the season. There is no active ZL1 Camaro's running with a stick as per Nitro Joe Stats in the NHRA. I believe, given the feedback from the racers in AA/S, that this weight platform will be well received. My goal is to get back the guys who have not come out to Indy for a while...although new competitors would be cool too. :)

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With those weight rules, wouldnt most have trouble qualifying for the main race? It took .87 under to get in this year, and with an index of 10.70, you would need to go low 9.80's to have a chance at qualifying.

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When they are running class for $10,000, and being paid down to the quarter finals, do you think these competitors will care if they qualify in the top 128? $10,000 is more money than you’ll win in the eliminator.

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Can racers pull weight for qualifying and put it back in before class elims to fall in line with the shootout rules?

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No, maybe some wont. But some will.

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Also a good question. Pulling and adding that much weight is not easy for some racers.

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Pulling/adding weight should be the least of someone’s worries when racing for 10k, no?

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No, I suppose not. There is a difference between weight box weight and permanent/tac welded on weight.

To be clear, I think this will be an awesome event! These special shootout races are a lot of fun, and I hope they get a big turnout for it! I was just thinking out loud...

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I am running a zl1 Camaro stick car my minimum weight is 3505 would the weight remain the same for the shootout ?

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No if you are running the zl1 you will have to be #3730.

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Well that eliminates any chance of my combo being competitive

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Mr. Bomar, in order to participate in the shootout your car cannot weight less than 3710(20#'s under your A/S minimum).



In order to create a level playing field, cars participating in the AA/S Shootout will need to adhere to their Shootout minimum weight sticker on every run.

If you are concerned about qualifying for the eliminator, you can run A/S or AA/S at your minimum weight and not participate. The general population of participants would not be able to get to minimum AA/S weight. If competitors could get close to minimum weight it would most likely require the removal of the majority of ballast in their cars. This would not be conducive for setting up the cars to the marginal track conditions we have seen the last few years at Indy.

Again, this shootout is for those who want to participate and given the feedback from the racers at Indy over the past couple years, this platform has been well received. Tnx

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I didn’t understand that is why I asked, it at that weight I couldn’t be competitive I hope there is a good turnout it should be fun !

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I guess I’ve got the first zl1 manual 4 speed Camaro stocker , built my own engine and put it all together myself, ran it at Tulsa, St Louis ,and Dallas, it’s not real fast but I’m having more fun banging gears like I did in the 60’s without breaking something every other pass !

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Years ago, Arnold Greene ran 9.60's in his 69 Camaro. For some reason I'm thinking he ran the ZL1 engine??? My memory is not to good anymore!

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It seems like a lot of un-necessary effort. If you're already making up your own rules and "race within a race," why not just make it an A/S shootout that is only open to the cars that you want to be eligible? You're going to make everyone go to a bunch of divisional events to get grade points to go to Indy, and you'll be so heavy for AA/S with an already challenging index that you're basically giving up the opportunity to qualify for the main event. I do understand the comment already made that if you're racing for $10k for class, the main event is not a big concern - but that's really why everyone goes to Indy in the first place right?

Apparently nobody with an LS has given you guys any support or appreciation in Stock yet, so just make it a "Non-LS A/S Shootout" and then you can also likely qualify for the main race as well? It's your playground, keep it simple and people will come.

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NHRA just approved the ZL1 for stock eliminator a few years ago I think all of Arnold’s motors were 396 ‘s

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I’ve got a suggestion for consideration: How about everyone runs A/S at their posted minimum weights, and all of the LS combinations have to be 20lbs under B/S weight? This essentially gives all non-LS combinations a .15 second (150lb weight) advantage, and tips the advantage greatly in favor of the non-LS combos. And on top of it, FastShocks will post another $2,000 to the winner if this is acceptable and allows everyone to participate together like we have in the past.

Given what you saw this year, I don’t think anyone could argue that this would more than level the field.

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Mike, we have had discussions with the racers who have attended Indy for the last two years as well as other racers in the AA/S and A/S community. All feedback for the AA/S shootout and the rules have been well received and supported by them. I will understand if some choose not to participate. As previously mentioned, this is another option for AA/S and A/S racers, participation is not mandatory. Tnx

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That is pretty surprising that everyone is on the same page with your consolation race. For everyone that has supported A/S for years to take a week off of work, go to Indy, put in all of the effort it takes to be competitive and to win a consolation race with a sub-set of rules, may not win an actual Indy Class wally, or qualify for the race, just to avoid a set of cars that they feel have an advantage? Wouldn't it be a lot more logical to find an agreeable way to try and level the playing field?

I think all of us guys with an LS would be all ears to find a compromise that would give everyone a confident feeling of a leveled playing field. I really don't think anyone would feel a lot of pride to win a race with an asterisk that doesn't even include some of the competitive players.

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Kevin Thank you and your brother for putting up this kind of money. Almost the key word is almost makes me want to put a stick in my car. Hope it turns out great for you. I think you could get some engine builders to kick in some money if it's one of their motors that win. Thanks Again Barry

Maybe this will inspire others to put up some money in other classes or another race. I have always loved running Top Stock in Division one with Dave Ley rules.

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Iron 425 motor and I’m pretty sure it was in the 50’s.