Bump Spot for Stock and Super Stock Without AHFS At Indy
 

With no AHFS at Indy Stock -.873, Super Stock -.728

Top of the list in Stock - 1.937

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Stock .835 under
Super Stock .755 under

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Already made my put:

https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...ad.php?t=85425

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Pending tech the bump spot in Stock is .876 under.
Great Prediction Larry.

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Just tells the rest of us how hard exactly we really need to work. And that the AHFS is a hard stop, do not pass go line the rest of the time.

And with all the published data by NHRA there is still 1 unknown factor not published in the stats.

(Personally I would trade a can of race gas sitting on my garage floor for just the data off 2 cars there today on their wt. Stickers if it were factual data). 519X and 3139. TW info.

Just for personal comparison reasons of course.

Very fast company for sure and congrats to all those doing battle out there, as when the stops are all pulled, the category is flying. All class racing should be that much fun. (But the price is too high to pay).

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I was watching this closely.

As I am hoping to qualify next year, it let's know how much ET I need to find.

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Without a doubt. I already taped the results of a class race yesterday morning to the lid of my console between the seats, and If I cover any of the split times of either driver at any reasonable time in the future, they will be highlighted. Very High Goals right under my right (shifting), elbow to keep myself reminded (and highly motivated of course), of those lofty goals (it is a high tall mountain to climb since both of them qualified in the top the 13 today).

Congrats to them, and the 128 whose mission starts anew tomorrow at 8:00 AM, each looking for the 2023 US Nationals Stock Eliminator Champion Title (and better luck in the future to those 129 and below, as you cannot win if you have not tried, or do not show up, it was a crapload of fast company, hats off to all who tried in every category!)

But, if I complete just 1 across, or some required ones from both, then we will make that long tow. But, going that far and ending up 129th or worse and seeing your long haul end before Friday AM (just 2 days in to a 6 day race week plus), is a killer heartbreak, been there and done that on the not really competitive side before, now too old to do that...OK, at least while my wife is still working, lol.

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I can tell you my opponents weight is much less than mine but don’t know for sure exactly the minimum on the tempo. My minimum 519X is 2720 and rolled on the scales at 2735/2740.

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The bump spot is overrated.

Did I read that right that the #146 qualifier who had problems all weekend got in as an alternate and won first round after fixing his issue?

Where were all the other alternates? Why not come to the lanes?

(I'm going off Live Timing results,so maybe this wasn't the case)

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Nice lap this morning! That was a tough one.

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Doing some homework it turns out that the number 136th qualified car got in the show.
He was .810 under.
Barry Parker must’ve broke something cause he was number 132, and he’s not listed for first rd results. Tough break Barry.

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I pretty sure all alternates got a chance. James Tolston # 146 got paired up.

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That’s surprising because #146 got in but:
Gresens, Nichols, Tool, Miles, Bierman, Anderson, Eastburn & Fuller were qualified
before Tolston( no offense to him) unless these other cars didn’t show up in back of the lanes when they called Stock.
Maybe someone has the answer ??

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Thank you Brent, (The 85 Charger is a bit lighter than The 84 Daytona, carbed vs EFI 96 vs 99, same 6HP factor), and he ran against you at least higher than dead on the minimum at 2,270. 84HP/140 no added factor.

A valiant effort there brother! (pushing that extra 450 lbs, to just less than 17 hun. slower), and both qualifying in top 13 in that all out fast, fast company!

I don't even know yet (I will in exactly 7 days-Next Friday afternoon in Vegas), but you give me hope, though I will need to carry 55 lbs. plus more than even you do. (I just knew there was a large differential between ours and Ron's Tempo). Kudo's to both of you for making slow 80's sleds fly!

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James did nothging wrong, he did exactly what most racers would've done. He got pointed at and was told to load up. Now it was the mistake of the pairing personel not being prepared, they didn't have a qualifying sheet, just ladder sheets. I and a whole lot of other racers where standing next tp the nhra people. They didn't seem to have a clue without the proper tools in hand. In other words, it was a cluster f...!

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Now that is 100% F____ up !!!
Casey, couldn’t you have told nhra guys you were higher on the Q list ??

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NHRA personnel didn't have a qualifying sheet and there wasn't one posted on DRC, so standing up in the lanes ready with a dial in on my car didn't mean anything to the NHRA people. They were clueless, on the middle of the ladder sheet should have been a list of alternates, but that is asking too much form NHRA.

Casey Miles
Stock

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This kind of reminds me of the National event entry process. The St Louis National event filled at 8 grading points.They have no standby or alternate list and anybody with one grading point could get in if a spot opens up and they are the first to see it.

You seem like you are taking it pretty well.I would really be upset if I was there and the very last car in the field got to race before me.

And it seems to me that this scenario has happened at Indy in the past with no effort to correct the situation and make it right.

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It sounds like that's something that should be brought bought to the SRAC committee.
Has there ever been a policy for alternates?

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You seem like you are taking it pretty well.I would really be upset if I was there and the very last car in the field got to race before me.

Nothing could really upset me, my Camaro went it's best ET and mph ever and I won a $10k tool box at the racers appreciation dinner. It was a good Indy for me except for not getting into the field.
Casey Miles

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I agree that is a shame. The only other complaint I have is how stock was treated yesterday morning in the lanes. A bunch of cars pulled to be paired in plenty of time. There was still dew on most of the cars windows. It was 07:45 ish. And one of the nhra ladies in the lanes was going ballistic to pull the cars up. I mean yelling and screaming “if you want to race pull these bleeping cars up now or we will send you home”.
I was very surprised by this. It’s not like it was 8:20 and no one moving yet. It wasn’t even 08:00 yet. I get that some folks always want to lay behind. But this was ridiculous. It wasn’t even the scheduled start time yet and dew was everywhere.

Kp

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Wow,congratulations.

I bet that 10k toolbox is double what you could have won by winning the race.

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What I don't understand is why they do not have designated pairs for rounds 2 and later? My first 3 time tickets from eliminations had times of 8:01, 8:04, and 8:09! I wonder if any fans that show up on Monday wonder where all the sportsmen cars went? First time that i ever remember that they took it down to 2 cars in each sportsmen category. Big rumor for next year is that IRP is getting a big make over with the Pro pits moving to the west side, and the tower being replaced also. NHRA is spending the millions they got from the Atlanta track sale. No word and where the other classes will pit.

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In the past with my SS/AH car, I would be outside the top 128. When SS was called I would go up and they would have the qualifying sheet and I would “check in” so they knew I was there. The official would then start filling in from the top of the list on down, with the slowest qualifier getting the first racer on up. That way if there were more spots open than racers to fill them, the higher qualifier got the bye. Seemed like a fair way to me. All it takes is a little effort and fairness to all involved.

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It was on Dragracecentral, they could have retrieved it from a phone. (But it was pending tech.). Posted there Thurs. 31 Aug 2023, 13.01PM

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r=100#indextop

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Pending tech, well there was a car apart that I understand didn't make it to race, so that ladder wasn't applicable.
Casey Miles

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on friday am, prior to 1st round, RFC by the tech barn had ladders available.

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I just emailed DRC's rick@fastnews.net and requested that he post the first round of Stock Eliminator.

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Thanks, it was tight race for sure.

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That is a shame that NHRA could not even get the correct alternates chosen for the biggest race of the year.
A simple solution is for the drivers who qualified 129 and down to write their qualifying # on windshield with shoe polish and then have NHRA line them up in number order in a designated area. Then as an alternate is needed, they pull the driver out in the correct order.

Or better yet, you need to tell NHRA by 30 min prior to the scheduled start time of the first round if you are making the call. If you aren't going to make it, NHRA can go ahead and start getting alternates ready.

If NHRA does not have race control folks who can manage this, they need to find someone who can.

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I don't know how many noticed, but at the Sportnationals in Hebron this year, whoever they had in staging did staging the 'old' way. In order of alphabet. It wasn't perfect, but it was truly coordinated. I hadn't seen that since Redman left.

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Same exact thing I suggested on Bobby Fazio’s podcast last night.
Great minds think alike.!!!

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I missed the podcast.

I think one year at Norwalk or Rockingham, or maybe one of the tracks with smaller staging lanes when running IHRA in the 2000's, we had to put our qualifying number/position (circled) on the windshield too before pairing started. This was first round only.

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That 30 minutes before start time is not going to work. Have you ever needed to fix you car before a round? And how long does it take to run 64 pairs of cars? That’s a lot of time to get something fixed and get to staging before the first round is over. Your idea cuts off 1.5 to 2 hours of time to fix a car and make first round

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In case anyone missed it...

https://www.nhra.com/results/2023/nh...-eliminator/e1

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If you know that first round is 8:00 am the next morning, you should know whether you are going to make the call by 7:30 am.

If you make a qualifying pass the same day before the first round and have to fix something, that is one thing, but if you have all evening and the night before to get ready, I can't see that 30 min of notification to race control is not feasible.
If you are one of the designated pair, you would not have the extra time anyway.

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Yac….many ,including me are looking for the DRC version so we can find out which alternate ran who AND why the very last alternate got to race instead of higher qualified cars …:mad::mad::mad:

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I was looking for the DRC version because it displays the qualifying position and the NHRA Live Results do not.

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And as I recall, I don't think either versions were 100% correct. If you are going to count first round of stock class as qualifying, then you should be able to put out a list, which can be amended if there is an issue in teardown shortly there after. Or if you can't maybe you shouldn't run the eliminator the following day. It is amazing everyone gets their vehicle back together in 7 to 10 hours after teardown. You would think you could put out an up to-date qualifying sheet in the same amount of time.

And while I am ranting, who the h... protests a racer who is at his first US Nationals and asks to have them look at his crankshaft. Knowing full well that it will require the engine to be pulled from the car and completely disassembled with very little time to get it put back together for a next day 8 am first round of stock eliminator. That person is one SOB! And he had to lodge the complaint on Wednesday to make it happen on Thursday. NHRA Tech should have realized what it was for and put the kabosh on it. Harassments plain and simple. I don't race any more, just follow it and it still burns my fanny that this was allowed to happen. My motto was never complain, never explain; do unto others as they do to you. Those that deserve respect get respect, those that don't ... well the they don't get any!

When Steve Gibbs retired, running of the races has been a bit loose and seems like they don't have the knowledgeable people or enough of them to do the job right any longer!

Don McElroy

Proud to say Donnie Beeler is a friend and was definitely happy to see his victory and that he is a US Nationals Champion! Way to go Donnie and Goldie!

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Never been to Indy and probably never will, but if I went and an anonymous person protested me and wanted to see my crank it would be the end of my class racing, now if he had the B*** to give his name I would have no problem tearing down. We call them cowards where I come from. I guess it is just the way I am wired.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628