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aside from Vegas, what other tracks will be Div. 7 legal for Stock Eliminator?

Wild Horse supposed to close. Tucson was not on the '23 list. doesnt leave much.
thoughts.
Thanks Rod in AZ.

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Divisional races are not money makers for the West Coast
tracks.
In my opinion, several of the few remaining tracks are struggling to
survive.
My son won Stock at one of the last Division 7 races
at Top Gun and there were only 22 entries.
I hope Top Gun survives the next few months!

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I think its time to work with Tucson and support the track and make it worth Jim Hughs time he is a real good guy he let me license my COPO there during a bracket race and even signed my license . We had to tow from Albuquerque NM because are track went IHRA .and its are closest NHRA track. Lots of real nice racers there to.

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Recognize Sonoma has essentially turned away from drag racing given their revenue stream from various road course events but it’s surprising Sonoma National isn’t half full and only takes a single grade point to get in. Have the D7 racers essentially thrown in the towel?

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I can’t speak for everyone else, but that race was a lot harder to get into when we could run two weekends in a row, with the double divisional the week prior. We don’t get nearly the same number of out of division racers we used to or even the long-haul guys that are still within the boundaries of D7.

I entered my two!

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I agree with your assessment, losing the Division race the weekend before the National Event seems to have made it less attractive to those that have to travel longer distances. However, the National Event definitely packs in a large crowd.

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Is it maybe time to look into restructuring the division locations? I think D1, 2 & 3 would be okay but, maybe 4 to 7 needs to restructure the location to include more tracks? Maybe expand to 8 Divisions and drop the blocker from the All Stars? I mean D4 has lost Houston and actually ONLY has 8 total tracks under NHRA sanctioned right now, D5 is losing Denver and who knows what is going on with SRCA but, the Rock Falls place looks pretty nice from the pics I saw, D6 is always a shot In the dark with Mission and if Seattle will survive cause there is always rumblings of them both closing, D7 with WHP, Sacramento closing and Sonoma cutting back leaves with maybe pushing to get a Div at Pomona or Tucson?

This is all food for thought

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It might be good to combine 6/7? More options??
John. I think if they did more race promotion like they used to they could draw more spectators and more racers.
Sacramento and Boise don’t have any problems getting spectators…🤷*♂️
Tracks can’t complain about not making money if they don’t promote the race . Division 7 Sportsman racing has taken a pretty big hit.

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They ( not blaming NHRA) took away a premier sportsman raceway. None of us wants to quit but boy does it put the strain on the wallet for some of us. Does mine and the timing couldn’t be worse! Hopefully we can get together at Sonoma with Ned and Matt.

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There was a National Open this weekend at Rock Falls Raceway. I hope this was a trial run for them to hold a Division 5 race next year. There was 4 Pro Stocks running on Saturday and the race was well attended. Jim Greenheck has invested alot of $$$ in the track and is a great facility.

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Fallon probably lost money when they had divisionals. Parking isn't that good if your not the first few rigs.Hard to improve when you're not making money. These roads get long out west. Tucson was/is a long ride for northern Californis racers.California has the only fast tracks in division 7. The doubes are nice but one fast Bakersfield race in April would work with class. Maybe an open with one.

Paul

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Paul, my guess is most tracks aren’t getting rich hosting a Divisional race. Thus the move to tracks hosting doubles. Same entry fee with 2 less days of racing. Now tracks in D6 are charging a “gate fee” if you don’t want to hassle with paying online! Gate fee??? WTF?!?!

As for the west coast races I’ve been to 4 days for 2 races isn’t enough. 2 Shootouts, added bracket races and a few of the normal issues and the first race isn’t getting done until the day the 2nd race begins. Then it’s one hit and go for the 2nd race. Great bang for your buck?

Does anyone know if tracks get a break on the fee nhra charges when it comes to having a double race?

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Maybe Joe and Hunter can help as out with a race track in SoCal. I hear Hunter like Baggies. Whats he's address. Come On Man!

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Hi Jody, It seems most of us don't know the business/financial side of this. The only side I know. Everything is one less day but more money. You would think the track must get a break on having doubles. But then again we don't.

Paul Haszlauer

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Combining divisions 6 and 7 would eliminate most people from ever getting to all the division races. Your talking a 1500 mile swing for some and 1000 at minimum. At this point its losing its luster everyday. Hell we are painting vehicles with no intention of even putting sticker one the car. Our elected officials in questionable states are trying to get a rid of all the tracks they can.

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Not sure they actually were elected Paul. But it's sure a sad state of affairs from a dozen years ago. It was great at the Mission Divisional with dozens of cars with circled R's on the windows, top racers from back east and down south... now they don't even have a race. Ashcroft was another favorite and now it's sitting there overgrown by weeds.

Certainly promotion is much of it. I went to the Pinks All Out deal at Seattle, probably twice the crowd as the National Event which is a lot. But the racing was like a regular bracket event. If a quarter of those people could see any normal divisional with wheelstanding Stock and SuperStock cars, Comp cars, 6 second Top Sportsman/Dragster and low 5 second alky cars perhaps all tracks would clamor to get events.

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Not counting Bakersfield double it’s already there.

Paul, you coming to Sonoma Nats??

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No neither Paul.

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At this point I’m beginning to wonder if there will be a Western Swing next year…sure hope not but seems like it’s lost it’s luster due to the track situation and the political environment on the west coast. Given the number of entries will they take the quotas even lower and go to two day events (shades of IHRA on the downside)? Thoughts?

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Agree JM.
No Pro stock or Comp on Friday night Qualifying Western Swing?
We’ll see how Sonoma goes and maybe Monday we’ll have some answers for 2024.

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Barry, even thou Sonoma doesn't get the sportsman car count it used to get when it was coupled with a Divisional race the weekend before, I think those of us going will have a great time. The weather looks to be a high of 84 Friday, 84 Saturday and 85 Sunday with cool mornings and evenings. No rain or humidity what so ever in the forecast unlike what they deal with back east. Plus, I think the crowds will be large again this year because I seem to be running into a lot of random people making plans to camp out at the races this weekend.

I'm looking forward to finally seeing your Camaro.

Darin

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And it looks like if you’re in A, B, E or F/SA, there’s a good chance you’re racing someone heads up!

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Y’all don’t pick on me! I’m breaking it in. 3 runs should be good. I’m looking forward to this.
See ya Thursday.

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Anyone recall when NHRA did combine divisions 6 and 7? I believe it was 1980-1982-ish? Wonder why that occurred. It sure wasn’t the lack of NHRA tracks in Division 7.

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Jody or Tony Janes may have the Answer, but I think it was to help D6 get more car count at Woodburn and Medford at that time we had plenty D7 tracks. I just know it happened and I don't remember much complaining.

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The crazy thing is the tow operations. They used to flat tow and tow with much less favorable tow operations

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Back around 1980-85 or so, we didn't have 7 divisions. I first raced Stock Eliminator around 1982-83, and my number was 6376. A few years later, when I renewed at the start of the new season, my number became 7376. I wish they still had a divisional at Medford. I have friends in Grants Pass and could make a fun trip of it in addition to the race.

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Positive news....maybe...from Phoenix
https://inbusinessphx.com/growth-ent...on-in-chandler
Hope and pray. Otherwise Las Vegas is the last hope

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Jess, I wouldn't read too much more into this. The release says the drag strip will be available to Radford students.... It already is, I believe.

This from the bunch who said the entire park had to close, like now, for the highway expansion, ...that has yet to be approved and funded ;-)

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I think it may have been a bit later than that. I have had my same Div. 6 NHRA permanent number since the late 70s, but for 2 years or so, maybe 83-84, or possibly 84-85, I had to use a different number, as somebody from the "old div.7" got my number, but after NHRA went back to 7 divisions, I was able to get my old number back. I think the massive Div 6, that combined both Div. 6 and 7 only lasted 2 or 3 years. It must have been a real pain for the guys chasing points back then, that lived in the Western Canada or Washington state, as you would have to travel thousands of miles to hit all the points meets. It would have been similar if Div. 1 and 2 were combined into a single division, with points meets spread out from Epping to West Palm Beach FLA.

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Wild Horse II

There is a limited test and tune going on this weekend. Of course it's about 5000' air.

Apparently, there has been a lot going on behind the scenes.
I'll wait for the official announcements , but it looks like there are no earth movers coming over the hill, just yet ;-)

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Oh, so the Indians still want some more of your $$$$ ….:):)

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From what I hear the driving school will be running the drag strip. It sounds like it would be much more than just for their students, but I haven't found anything yet to confirm that.

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In the immortal words of Van Halen..

Everybody wants some...how 'bout you?

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In the immortal words of WC Fields, the DEMISE of WHP has been greatly exaggerated ….and that’s good news for the D 7 racers …..

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I recall saying this a month ago in a thread about Sacramento Raceway.