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Rich osmond 04-24-2023 02:31 PM

Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
I am building a car for the NMCA Coyote stock class (sealed factory engine ~500HP, 3000# min weight, and g101a transmission). The cars 60' in the mid-1.30 range, and run ~9.7's. Nearly all of the cars in the class run 26" x 10" M/T stiff all slicks, but I am wondering if there is any advantage (or disadvantage) to running a 28" tire with the appropriate gearing. Any experience is appreciated!

Ralph A Powell 04-24-2023 02:57 PM

Re: Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
What clutch and flywheel (steel or aluminum) and what 1st & 2nd gear ratio? A larger diameter will give you more contact area

Rich osmond 04-24-2023 03:19 PM

Re: Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
Thanks. Aluminum flywheel, single clutch disc 10” min, but we can run a tamer. First gear ~ 3:1, second gear ~2:1. Appreciate the help.

Jim Caughlin 04-24-2023 05:34 PM

Re: Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich osmond (Post 679462)
Thanks. Aluminum flywheel, single clutch disc 10” min, but we can run a tamer. First gear ~ 3:1, second gear ~2:1. Appreciate the help.

Oh boy, here we go again...

Rich osmond 04-24-2023 05:38 PM

Re: Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
OK. I’m just seeking a little help. Thx

1347 04-24-2023 10:06 PM

Re: Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
why wouldn't you put a 30x9 bias tire the Stick stocker guys run? i know thats why you are asking what to use, but I would think a 30x9 would give a much better contact patch over a 26x10.

Stephen & Horace Johnson 04-24-2023 10:17 PM

Re: Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1347 (Post 679490)
why wouldn't you put a 30x9 bias tire the Stick stocker guys run? i know thats why you are asking what to use, but I would think a 30x9 would give a much better contact patch over a 26x10.

28s are the biggest they can run

James Hensler 04-25-2023 01:20 PM

Re: Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
I used to run the 28x10.5 Stiff in Renegade. Back then we had to weigh 3000 and made more HP 850 but with a single disk Ram and a adjustable pressure plate I 60 footed 1.25 and ran 9.0’s a DOHC 4.6

I know this isn’t your combo but it’s about as close as you’re going to get here!

Rich osmond 04-25-2023 01:37 PM

Re: Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
Thank you, James. This is very helpful and something I will consider. As you know, I will need to balance clutch slip, wheel speed, and rotating weight, so I will probably need to test with a short tire/gear package, vs a tall one. Thanks again.

Jim Caughlin 04-25-2023 04:50 PM

Re: Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
Stick to basic 'meat and potatoes' components that have been working for Stock class cars for years, Soft Lock, alum flywheel, G101 and the 10 x 28 should be plenty of tire to get you well into the 9 second range. Run the clutch as loose as you can get ways with and oh yeah, don't use the clutch to shift.

weedburner 04-25-2023 06:43 PM

Re: Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 679537)
Stick to basic 'meat and potatoes' components that have been working for Stock class cars for years, Soft Lock, alum flywheel, G101 and the 10 x 28 should be plenty of tire to get you well into the 9 second range. Run the clutch as loose as you can get ways with and oh yeah, don't use the clutch to shift.

Coyote Stock is a sealed engine NMRA class that requires a minimum 10" dia single disc diaphragm clutch.

Grant

Rich osmond 04-25-2023 11:10 PM

Re: Tire Help for Heads-up Manual Transmission Class
 
Correct, and a “Diaphragm Pressure Plate assembly is required”.


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