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Meh.

If they are so set on it working then why suspend it for the one race where it may actually work?

Whatever.

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Because they listened to the majority. Just wished they had done likewise on Blinders

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Maybe they did, My division rep asked our thoughts on both of those items. Unless it was published, we don't know what the poll results were from each division

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Sorry Jim but the poll results were obscured in our division. But maybe the majority did want it. However the rules were just rewritten this year to try and reign in some of the combo's that may be a touch soft and then the NHRA rule writers rescind it for the only race that might have racers push it.
It's contradictory. No matter what the majority wanted or didn't.
The new rule wasn't limiting participation and had more than a few combos in jeopardy. To me this is letting some of those off the hook.

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It's Indy! Bring all you got and hope it's enough.

Now if NHRA wanted to see performance at its best have class winners at the top of the sheet and the rest of the field filled by further under the index for the field of 128. The Class winner that went under there index the most is the Number 1 qualifier. After the last Class winner is placed on the qualifying sheet, lets say at 45, the quickest non class winner would be number 46 and continue until 128.
Being best in class needs to rewarded, this is Class racing, and if you're the fastest of the fast you get to play too!
I forgot all class winners must run the index or quicker to race in the eliminations.

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Glad to see all the guys with soft HP ratings got their wish. It just goes to show if you cry Loud enough people think that’s the majority.

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This is great news for the Mr Softie Trucks to come out of hibernation
Nhra is like the government..giving hand outs to everyone including people that don’t need them
Why even have the ahfs..Indy is the only race where you would see soft combos get the HP deserved. Oh is a democracy when enough people cry.

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Careful, do you trust them? What better way to set up the soft combos than to give them them a one race reprieve and keep notes for future scrutiny.

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Really ? Tell that to Worner and Huntzberry.

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This will help NHRA keep the car count up. I talked to some that were going to skip Indy because of the possible horsepower hit.

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They had AHFS in effect 2 years ago and there was no shortage of cars

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2021 Indy had the potential to be a mine shaft race..
It only took .53 under to get in but it still made it to mine shaft..Usually about .85 under to get in at Indy
With AHFS this year, you'd have a bunch of guys trying to dance around at .99 under. Doesn't sound like much fun to me.

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Mark, the weather was terrible, I know, it looked intentional but I was #20 at -1.00 and it didn't get much faster all weekend. I was set up to go -1.15 in pretty good weather. Maybe some of the more unique combos stayed home but in my class the only ones faster than me were the same 2 that usually are faster than me. But they also were slower than usual.

Whatever. I don't really give a crap.

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Old School SS and Stock racer, we don't have bracket cars, we race for performance. But please don't do anything to put HP on me.

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I think there are several reasons that the AHFS causes so much angst among Stoch/Super Stock racers. The first reason is I’ve never see a stated goal of the system from NHRA other than the vague control out of control combinations. We can all agree it never did a very good job of that. Another reason is that there are several subsets of racers among our classes, each with different goals. There is one group that is perfectly happy running an obscure class .2 or .3 under the index and racing to win rounds. There are people in our classes that still receive their satisfaction by building all their own stuff and making it as fast as they can. There are people who are happy buying a complete car and just being able to go racing. There are your people who want to win clas and be the fastest in the land who are willing to do the work and spend the money to get there. I’m sure you can think of other subsets. We all have goals for our racing and while winning Wally’s is the top goal we each have different performance goals. I have never been the fastest in the land but going to Indy and trying to be is what keeps me thinking about our cars, talking to people about things that might help, trying different things, and going to the shop every day. With all of these different goals I don’t see how the AHFS can ever be balanced to make everybody happy. Mike McMahan 2543 G,H/SA

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Mike,
Great Post!
You covered a lot of territory.
Now if NHRA will just raise the Quota
they might take advantage of the AHFS being suspended.

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Raising the quotas may be a lost cause. I was shocked Vegas didn’t feel. Rest assured they are keeping track of entries vs. quotas to justify them.

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Of course they are! Because the structure of the entry system provides an easy justification for lowering the quotas every year.

Set the quota at 70, a race fills at 70, then the Monday before the race it drops down to 62...
Next year, the quota is set at 60, fills at 60, then the Monday before the race, it drops down to 53...
And so it goes...

OR, we can always use the rain-infested year as a basis for future years. Only 48 stockers at Maple Grove because it's a wash-out until Sunday morning? Huh, better set the future quota at 50!

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I hear you Nick, in this case though I don’t believe it ever filled (I’ve been watching it for a 2-3 weeks but could be wrong) and the weather forecast for Vegas is great. Just figured Vegas would fill based solely on the dwindling D7/D6 opportunities.

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The Vegas national event was full in Stock. Late withdrawals lowered the number, which always happens regardless of the quota allowed. Watch the double Divisional next week end, numbers will be higher.

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I guess I can go wake up Softie and get him up.

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it was up too 79 cars at one time. NHRA got their money anyway.
Paul

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Folks can’t imagine how much time, effort, thought, dyno pulls, track rental,
and money that was spent to get my stuff ready for Indy in the truck.

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You could probably offset the cost of the truck if you got into the ice cream business. Wonder if you'd be allowed a soft serve machine in the back as ballast. LOL

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It would mess up the Aero of the truck, but still a good idea.

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NHRA would likely consider that "illegal ballast"! Maybe if Larry made a deal with them to be "Official Ice Cream Supplier To NHRA", a deal could be worked out.