X/Stock Redux
 

Supposedly, it only took calls from two racers to get SS/QA added.

C'mon guys..We can do better than that with the new, friendlier NHRA

https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...=Mark+Yacavone

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Neat! LOL

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Funny that they wouldn't add one FWD class without taking one away!
Maybe it's me................................................ .............................................

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Well, they probably have more than enough Stockers to have to deal with anyway.
S/S seems to have a bit of trouble reaching most of the quotas.
A word to my friends over there..
As in past NHRA history...Use it or lose it.

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http://www.classracerinfo.com/CGPage...AKE=Chevy%20II

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Mark, I'm liking it with the now usable 4 speed.
Bigger cam than my 230 and throttle bore and venturi are the same size as my Monojet!

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what combos would fit into the X class?

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Just sold a 153 4 cylinder engine a few weeks ago. Pretty rare option in a Nova, but they did use that engine in postal vans. It was an
option up to 1970 in the Novas.

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Slick shifted Saginaw!
Case is a bit heavy but that would be the bulkiest item in the car when I got through with it ;-)

Input shaft ring count.
No grooves= 19 tooth input, 2.84 low, 2.01 2nd, 1.35 3rd, (all had 1:1 4th)
One groove= 19 tooth input, 2.54 low, 1.81 2nd, 1.44 3rd
Two grooves= 18 tooth input, 3.11 low, 2.20 2nd, 1.47 3rd
Three grooves= 16 tooth input, 3.50 low, 2.47 2nd, 1.65 3rd
1" x 14 spline input= 16 tooth input, 3.50 low, 2.16 2nd, 1.45 3rd

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C'mon ,boys

Time to get off the couch and put those computers to good use.

Support those local combos with a dime rocket:

http://www.classracerinfo.com/CGPage...7&MAKE=Granada

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Good morning to all,
Would that the famous " Iron Duke " ?
I do remember working on a couple of customer cars many ( too many ) years ago with that engine in it, In the 1964 / 1965 Nova - Chevy II Bodies.
I don't remember any around Long Island N.Y. in the 66/ 67 Nova bodies or the 68 / 72 Nova bodies. I also know just because I didn't see any doesn't mean a couple didn't exist somewhere out there!
That could be pretty cool combo hooked up to a TH200 transmission.
Food for Thought, sounds fattening!
Enjoy the thought process.

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

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Nope... Often confused with The Duke, the 153 inch (151 Duke ) is a different bore and stroke. When Pontiac resurrected the econo-four concept, they did use the original tooling from the Chevy engine. Some of the parts, for instance the pan gaskets will interchange.
The first Dukes did use the Chevy bell housing pattern but then it went to the corporate FWD pattern.
Adding to the confusion, the 153 was used in mail Jeeps, as was the later 151 P.
151's were used by AMC too, before introducing their own 151.
Pontiac 151 Super Duty parts won't readily interchange with the 153 either.
The 153s were also used in marine applications. Some were of more displacement, such as the 181 Merc Cruisers.

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A couple more additions to the proposal in the Build section :-)

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Years ago, I had a '78 Fairmont 4-door with a six. A collision killed any thoughts of building it (R-T-U/SA). I did manage to win a gamblers' race at Englishtown while missing the front bumper and grille. :D

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Mark, we've got it all wrong! NHRA doesn't want any more "underclassmen" in their racing program. Apparently, we don't spend (or won't spend) enough money to interest them. They want AAA,AAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/FS and Stock to keep the other end of the Eliminator happy.
Recently, I asked my new DD (a nice kid BTW) to ask about expanding the FWD classes by a couple (or few) because of the amounts of weight that I must add to change classes which basically makes my combos into single-class cars. I got a letter (through him) by Pat C. telling me that I can remove or add 420 lbs. (that's 840 lbs. in a 2600 lb. car!) to my CF/S combo to move classes. He didn't or wouldn't mention my AF/S combo (the car that I was racing on the day that I had my talk with my new DD) which requires a 1200 lb. swing to go to AAF/S or BF/S.

They don't even know their own rules, General Regulations specifically states that a car can't have more than 500 LBS. of removable OR permanent ballast. When I brought this to their attention, I got crickets!

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Not to mention WHERE would you fit SIX Avg. GROWN MEN??!:D

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I almost said ..unbelievable , but then again, it IS..

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Seems to me there was a article about the 153 in a book that showed the things they did with them for some kind of mini sprint. They were putting a sb chevy head on it, same head gasket? And may have used 283 pistons in them. What is the bore size and stroke on the 153? I have a beat to crap 64 not rusty 4 door that is V8 car I would give to the cause. Tom

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Hi Tom! You would re-tap the block for the SBC head. Bore spacings are the same. A 153 and a 230 both use 283 pistons but have a 3.25 (307) stroke.

Please don't mention that '64 4 door again in front of Yac please!!!!! Bad things could happen.

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Seems to me that the 4 cyl.Chevy powered postal van/truck also came mounted up to a 904 Torqueflite trans with a Chevy bell housing on the TF case. I guess cores are pretty rare, but it might be something to consider and start looking for.

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Please don't mention that '64 4 door again in front of Yac please!!!!! Bad things could happen.[/QUOTE]

Loge is headed that way, could send it. Tom

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Tom., Thanks but way too heavy for W weight.
64 had the heavier suspension and 5 lug wheels too (anticipating the V8 ? )

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Wow Yac, you must be getting old! When Tom mentioned that '64 was originally a V8 car, a 283/4 speed combo (2V or 4V) went through my head. Not to mention, I seem to remember some 283 SS combos with too many doors.

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http://www.classracerinfo.com/Classi...E=3120&TRANS=0

Ya know, back-in-the-day you would have had this under the index by lunch!
You MUST be getting old!

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Good morning Billy and to all,
That 3.250 stroke is a 327 crank too.
The 1969 153 engine lists the rod as 5.700 with a 2.000 rod journal.
Then this also brings up a discussion that you and I had about bolting on the 305 head with the better intake valve and runner. Obviously that conversion (305 head) isn't a NHRA legal conversion for Stock or Super Stock. I'd still be curious to get a look at or a couple of pictures of what the 153 four cylinder head looks like. I better stop this or this might wind up in my Nova with Henry Jr. behind the wheel.

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

P.S. bore and stroke is - 3.875 (std.) bore and 3.250 stroke (307 & 327)

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Maybe so, but I think I've done enough 283s for a lifetime..Probably Chevy IIs also
I can think of much better R/Stockers too.

The 4 cylinder, RWD deal still interests me though.
Not many would know what they're supposed to look like , either ;-)

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Wait a minute, wait a minute, now you're starting to sound like.........................me.

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Forgot to tell you this chevy II still runs and drives original 2 barrel 721 block and a glide. I bought it for the motor. Have a NE title could drive it home. Tom