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mnmaxwedge 01-18-2023 10:00 PM

No Blinders
 
New rule came out for NHRA that prohibits blinders in Stock Eliminator. Doesn't say anything about SS. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, I hope so.

Markeracer 01-18-2023 10:14 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Where can this new rule be found?

mnmaxwedge 01-18-2023 10:37 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Go to the NHRA Racer site, look under the rules section and follow the new amendments to the Stock Car section.

Keith 944 01-18-2023 10:43 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mnmaxwedge (Post 674330)
New rule came out for NHRA that prohibits blinders in Stock Eliminator. Doesn't say anything about SS. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, I hope so.

sure sounds that way for stock, will affect quite a few....

Adub464Q 01-18-2023 11:15 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Don’t forget…all stock rules translate to super stock unless otherwise noted.

Therefore, blinders are gone in stock and super stock.

Personally, I’m a BIG FAN.

Glenn Briglio 01-18-2023 11:20 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Oem sun visors permitted.

MR DERBY CITY 01-18-2023 11:21 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
You know, I am sitting at home laughing my azz off. My Camaro came with factory sunvisors , I think I will just flip it down and block with it ……With all the issues we have with NHRA , some GENIUS sitting in the IVORY tower decides that stockers can’t block the tree…

442OLDS 01-18-2023 11:22 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
I thought they tried to do this years ago.People whined,and they came back.

If I was a betting person (and I am),I'll place a bet that this rule gets revised again.

MR DERBY CITY 01-18-2023 11:29 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adub464Q (Post 674336)
Don’t forget…all stock rules translate to super stock unless otherwise noted.

Therefore, blinders are gone in stock and super stock.

Ugh, I don’t think so …..

Adub464Q 01-18-2023 11:35 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
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Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 674340)
Ugh, I don’t think so …..

You sure about that MJ?

M Brand 505B 01-18-2023 11:39 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adub464Q (Post 674336)
Don’t forget…all stock rules translate to super stock unless otherwise noted.

Therefore, blinders are gone in stock and super stock.

Personally, I’m a BIG FAN.

Hallelujah!

MR DERBY CITY 01-18-2023 11:46 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adub464Q (Post 674341)
You sure about that MJ?

Austin, when dealing with this organization …I am not sure about much of anything anymore ……

Spyphish 01-19-2023 12:07 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
My fault. I hit the 2.04 billion Powerball in Nov. and asked for rack and P in the AH cars. "Yes sir Mr. Hebert" Then last week I hit the 1 billion Mega loto and asked for no blinders. "Yes sir Mr. Hebert". It's warm and dry under the bus. Phish

Chad Mahlosky 01-19-2023 12:09 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
If you don’t use a blinder, why does one care if someone else does? I’ve always used my OEM sun visor anyway, but I’m curious.

Herbie Null 01-19-2023 12:41 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
So you can use a 5”x10” sun visor to block your view, but don’t you use a 2”x4” peace of cardboard to have a better view when your blocking. 😂 who makes this **** up

Paul Precht 01-19-2023 12:44 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio (Post 674337)
Oem sun visors permitted.

I've been using the sun visors since the early 70s at Hampton with the 5 amber tree, not as easy but it works.

e vassar 01-19-2023 12:57 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Herbie Null (Post 674346)
So you can use a 5”x10” sun visor to block your view, but don’t you use a 2”x4” peace of cardboard to have a better view when your blocking. 😂 who makes this **** up

Most homemade blockers hang way below the factory sunvisor. Some of you must be pretty tall to entirely block everything except the bottom bulb with the factory sunvisor

Herbie Null 01-19-2023 01:27 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by e vassar (Post 674348)
Most homemade blockers hang way below the factory sunvisor. Some of you must be pretty tall to entirely block everything except the bottom bulb with the factory sunvisor

Never seen a tree blinder hang lower than a sun visor unless they are blocking the other lane instead of the tree. I personally love blockers at night, but respect their choice on how they race.

Keith 944 01-19-2023 07:25 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
I’ve seen a few just holding playing cards. Wonder if that is included. And yes they did this rule before, but I think that was more for the ones taping 12 pack cartons to their helmets and those that taped the helmet visors so much to almost an inch of vision

MR DERBY CITY 01-19-2023 07:45 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
Just curious, soooo does the STARTER have to be SWORN in to enforce the new rule ??

tommy d 01-19-2023 08:28 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
And they created this rule why?

4543 01-19-2023 08:52 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
I just really don’t care whether anyone chooses to race with a blinder or not. Seems to me that the two biggest issues we should be trying to work out are the AHFS & the quota system. Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA

Alan Roehrich 01-19-2023 09:55 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 674338)
You know, I am sitting at home laughing my azz off. My Camaro came with factory sunvisors , I think I will just flip it down and block with it ……With all the issues we have with NHRA , some GENIUS sitting in the IVORY tower decides that stockers can’t block the tree…


No kidding. How utterly arrogant and stupid. I'd say that I'd like to hear the rationale, but then, I'm already on pain killers, I don't think I could add enough to survive the attending headache. Thanks NHRA, for adding another reason to consider not returning. It's not just the blinder rule, it's the attitude behind it.

Alan Roehrich 01-19-2023 09:58 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Mahlosky (Post 674345)
If you don’t use a blinder, why does one care if someone else does? I’ve always used my OEM sun visor anyway, but I’m curious.


This. EXACTLY.

BG56 01-19-2023 10:02 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
Sounds like our Gubmint, continuously taking things AWAY. Both in the PAIN business......

Markeracer 01-19-2023 10:06 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
Hey guys, don’t you see what is going here? It’s a diversionary tactic to get all of the attention away from quotas and AHFS! Probably something like “let’s give those STK/SS crybabies something to really whine about!”

NHRA1926 01-19-2023 10:18 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
Ok, ok. But what is the reason behind this new rule? Who cares if some people use blinders? Are some people OFFENDED by others that use blinders, and they don't? Did somebody complain to NHRA about this to get it changed, or is it simply the liberal California special people that are worried about equality for all? Maybe they should ask for reperations for past offenses. Hahahaha

PozQB14 01-19-2023 10:37 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
Can we tally up how many rules are in the rulebook for S/SS that arent getting enforced? We have all met and ran into the officials in the staging lanes, those guys are just trying to get us paird up and organized and just trying to keep the peace. At no point are they trying to look at our cars for illegal stuff. Guys like Dave Ley, who is a a walking rule book and pretty much knows what everyone is doing, has his hands tied. Hence why he's not at national events. Now, heres a scenario...its the final at any national or divisional, you know your opponent blocks because of their obnoxious 10" blinders hanging down from the roll cage, or the tape all over the windshield. Your .040 and they are .00 and they win on a holeshot. The rules clearly state that blockers are prohibited. You suck it up and accept the loss? Or do you make NHRA play their hand. Problem is, if you go to NHRA and they do nothing then what are we all doing here.

Ron Ortiz 01-19-2023 10:48 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
Choose a slower class like T, U, V, W, you'll always have a clean tree, no blinder necessary.

dragracerray 01-19-2023 10:53 AM

Re: No Blinders
 
If the starter is in charge he could turn your lane red if he saw a blinder. I wouldn't want to take that risk.

Adub464Q 01-19-2023 12:22 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy d (Post 674354)
And they created this rule why?

At the core, I think it stemmed from a safety issue in the pits and an incident that occurred.

Bluntly, I think the reactions are going to be polar opposite. Those in favor of this rule, feel they are at an advantage (publicly or privately in favor). Those against it, feel they are at a disadvantage.

Jim Caughlin 01-19-2023 01:15 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
OK, I'll bite. My blinders are 2" x 2" (one each for right and left lane) and are larger than they even need to be. If this rule is in regard to a safety issue, these tiny blinder in no way restrict my vision when I'm driving around the pits. If I switch over to a factory sun visor, my roll cage will not allow me to raise and lower it so it's going to be in a permanent down position and that will restrict my vision when I'm driving around the pits. If this is a vision safety issue, then let's ban hood scoop that are sometimes taller than the windshield, pretty sure those restrict driver vision. As a sidenote, I regularly see windows that are tinted so darkly that you can't even see inside the car, so I'm going to get booted for my 8 square inches of blinder but the black tinted window guy gets ignored? Also, how about the 'tunnel vision' helmets that apparently are legal, are those going to be banned also? I remember when this issue came up several years ago, there were some very specific guidelines about the total square inches that blinders could be but I don't see that info in the rulebook anymore, if that info got deleted and the size of blinders has sometimes gotten out of hand, isn't that the real problem?

Jim Caughlin
SS6019

Cotten 01-19-2023 01:26 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dragracerray (Post 674373)
If the starter is in charge he could turn your lane red if he saw a blinder. I wouldn't want to take that risk.

Can the starter do that?
That may explain a lot.

MR DERBY CITY 01-19-2023 01:50 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
You know, this latest rule change just mirrors what is going on in the USA. If a Democrat doesn’t own a gun, he doesn’t want ANYONE to own one. If a Republican (ME) doesn’t own a gun , he is fine with other citizens owning one. As I grow older, I didn’t realize we had so many WHINY AZZ, CHICKEN CHITs racing stock eliminator. First it was DEEP staging, now it’s BLINDERS ……

Billy Nees 01-19-2023 01:53 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz (Post 674372)
Choose a slower class like T, U, V, W, you'll always have a clean tree, no blinder necessary.

My guess would be so that Racers can't "bottom bulb" with a long switch.

MR DERBY CITY 01-19-2023 01:56 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adub464Q (Post 674379)
At the core, I think it stemmed from a safety issue in the pits and an incident that occurred.

Austin, I have a TON of respect for you as a racer. Don’t you think the racers that hold 4 or 5 and lock up the brakes at the finish line and send their cars into the wall, ….well don’t you think that is a SAFETY issue ?? …You do realize the rule book says NO SANDBAGGING ….

James Perrone 01-19-2023 01:57 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
So who and when will this rule be enforced
In tech 😂
No blinder needed.
Just like deep staging
I have seen the who top of the windshield blocked with tap
I’ve see. Huge cardboard hanging of helmet and ripped off by driver as they leave

So that’s safe ?
It’s the blockers that have pushed the rule beyond what it was.
So get rid of them. Good riddance

Ron Ortiz 01-19-2023 02:12 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
People will have to go back to closing one eye and tilting their head if this is enforced. I once put my hand up to block the sun at 8:00 AM.
Can't wait to try out my new solar powered pulse detector sun glasses out with block out lens capabilities.
Glad all this safety situations are being brought up.

Adub464Q 01-19-2023 02:18 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
[QUOTE=MR DERBY CITY;674394]
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Originally Posted by Adub464Q (Post 674379)
At the core, I think it stemmed from a safety issue in the pits and an incident that occurred.

QUOTE]

Austin, I have a TON of respect for you as a racer. Don’t you think the racers that hold 4 or 5 and lock up the brakes at the finish line and send their cars into the wall, ….well don’t you think that is a SAFETY issue ?? …You do realize the rule book says NO SANDBAGGING ….

100% agree with you MJ. You introduce a lot of other things when claiming "Safety", and where does the line stop.

I drive a SG car, are we gonna ban hood scoops because we cant see around them in the pits? That would be a similar safety concern to that of blinders.

I could make an argument each way on this, and not sure where the line stands.

superdart 01-19-2023 02:35 PM

Re: No Blinders
 
I guess this means NO more dark tinted windows in any category.


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