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NHRA giveth and NHRA taketh away.

64-66 283 220hp stick super stock goes from 237hp to 230hp and now back to 237hp. I'm glad I didn't decide to change my wagon auto to a stick. Another example where they can't make up their mind

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I wonder what happened? That’s strange

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I was told that if a combo ever got hit with HP then it could never be reduced. They probably realized they made a mistake and corrected it.

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You can't make this stuff up.....

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When did AHCS start? In 2009 the 283 Chevy II autos got hit to 235 hp that put in SS/JA and made my car not legal for L and to heavy for K putting me out of racing. Then at some point it was dropped to to 233 the same as GT that made them SS/KA. The same with the stick cars that were hit to 241 then dropped to 237, anybody that races a Chevy II getting them lite enough to get to min weight is very tuff. For them to say you cant go back there memory is not good. How many racers will this put out of racing, just does not make much sense. . Tom

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"The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the
NHRA Tech Department. "

This line from the AHFS rules is the key to all your questions. They can do anything
they want regardless of the guidelines .

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Kevin, you are exactly right.. If they think you go too fast they will punish you no matter what their rules are. And they have to explain their actions to nobody.

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Just complaining here. My combination got hit with 14 H.P. That's 77 pounds. SEVENTY SEVEN. I'm ready to park the car and walk away from Stock for good.

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BTW, my quickest pass was 1.007 under. And that only happened once. So there's that.

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Tony, Email Pat C and ask for an explanation. That’s what I did to find out I missed the cut off by .004.

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You must be running a late model soft combo. Copo. Mustang ?
Must be instant 120 hit?
Because 1. Run is not getting HP

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James, it's my understanding that if there are two runs of 1.00 or faster under the index, that triggers something. And then the NHRA looks at the combination's average, giving H.P. at the end of the year. There are other guys running my combo and they have gone over a second under. So, I'm guessing that's what did it. I just wish I had known this was happening.

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The combo must be a little soft to begin with because all these cars 2008 and newer are under factored to begin with.
Can’t help but too go too dam fast
That’s the way system supposed to do
And with no mineshaft
It’s gonna get real ugly especially for these newer cars now
There are know good running combinations safe now
Where gonna get it in the shorts

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Well Ponko, ya could just give up and run junk. It makes better financial sense.

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I still say lowering the indexes makes more sense.

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Not financially. It will just push/keep more out.

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Push out what a few cars that think stock and super is easy ..like bracket racing
Back when they lowered the indexes I had bought a ss/bs Monte Carlo
Car ran 3 tenths under
Then the next year I’m 1 under guess what a geinus like me did I bought a motor and a 3 speed trans
Class Racing not for the WEAK
You gotta adapt

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Can I use that as my new excuse? The cheap/ crazy one is getting old.

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Bullet is making new slower camshaft designs along with Total Seal "No Seal" piston rings. They come with NHRA's seal of approval. They cost more than what we have been using but there are Guaranteed to slow you down.

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620

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"slower camshaft designs along with "No Seal" piston rings."

I already have them. They don't work.


;-)

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Nothing more disharting than doing the work and one did not slow the car down to what one was looking for.
Seriously, theres got to be a better way to have a level playing field for fast and not so fast cars.
Making fast cars run Slow is not the answer.

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620

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Well, let's see; NHRA could hire some new Techs that know what a "stock" cylinder head is supposed to look like kinda like the old, retired Techs did. They could stop manipulating the engine specs that now allow Edelbrock and other aftermarket heads and camshafts and intake manifolds that were "originally available on cars only sold to unicorns in La-La Land" and they could stop gluing the starting lines.
That would work!

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Billy can you find me a cheap 1970/ 402 that I can run only .65 under to help get my average down. Thanks BP

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If I can’t run more than .65 under when I get my first stocker finished do you think I could get the fast cars to put up my entry fees to keep the average down? Lol

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If you can’t run at least -.650 under at a race it will have zero affect on the average. It will be like you were never at the race according to the AHFS.

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Exactly. I may stop on the BB car and throw in the slow parts on the refresh SB to run .750
Sounds fun.

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620

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Oh, okay I’m catching on to the new AHFS if I run BETWEEN .650 - .850 under they will like me and over .850 under and they will send me hate mail. Do I understand this correctly that my combo in B can affect other cars from AA - C because it’s in the same engine family even though the engine specs may be different, like different heads and valve sizes? I must have skimmed over the paragraph below too quickly.

“1st screening: The average for all vehicles running the particular engine family combination being reviewed is included in this screening. The review process will average runs in ALL classes TOGETHER with the same transmission type & the same body platform.”

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Assuming transmission means auto or manual? I was going to sort out my SS combo with my trusty PG vers a three speed that some say are 15 quicker. But I still could take the hp hit. Now what about wagons, is a chevy II wagon going to be the same platform as a 2dr ht? Is the malibu wagon the same as 2 door car. Tom

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Tom, I'm pretty sure that they go by wheelbase. If the hardtop and wagon have the same wheelbase then they're considered the same.

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That would require them to find qualified people which they surely won't do. A better solution on their part is to run Stock and Super Stock like Super Gas cars. You could only run your published index, any faster you lose. No dial unders or heads up! Wouldn't it be fun to see Stock and Super Stock cars with timers and throttle stops. It would save NHRA the trouble of switching back to a full tree after the SG/SC cars run.

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The sad part of your post is that, IMHO, NHRA is more likely to do something like that than hire qualified people. They (NHRA) really don't want the complicated rules that go along with S/SS but they don't want us to leave because there are so many of us.

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Your combo cannot affect anything other than that same engine combo. If your combo has different heads, valve sizes, etc, then it doesn't affect combos that don't have the same specs. So, if your combo has 2.07"/1.725" valves and oval port heads, it will not affect a combo with 2.195" and 1.725" valves and rectangle ports.

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That's the way they say it works. For the 4.3 Chevy tbi engines they factor flat tappet cams, roller tappet cams, 108 wheelbase, 117 wheelbase, 430 lift cams, stock lift cams, cars or trucks together. All are considered the same engine family and body style.

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Yeah..I'm all for this! Just adjust my weight to run dead on the index! Hit the tree and drive the finish line.
Would sure save me a lot of money im fixin to spend. Probably have 200 stockers at divisionals.

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Exactly!

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Okay, makes more sense. Why couldn’t they just say running the same engine specs rather than “engine family”.

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They wouldn't do that. They paid a law firm to write the wording.

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The FE engine family is confusing enough with all the different variations. There are numerous combinations that could be in the same class. Now I see how this could help with the average for each because hardly any two 428 cars are running the EXACT same combinations.

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What effect would bringing back the factory valve spring rule have?
Would this not simplify tech and negate some of the advantage found in cylinder head and intake advancement?