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Facebook topics that have come up. What are the quickest & fastest traditional Muscle Cars racing in Stock?
I know Robert Pond has been 9.60s with both his 64 and 67 Fairlanes. Steve Wann in his Mr 413 Savoy and Mark Madison in his 65 Hemi Savoy. Who else?

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Hoven in the Hemi
Keir Nova
Ficacci stick Camaro 396
John Gray Camaro 396
Scott Gove Camaro 396

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New definition of Muscle Car for the new millennium, I guess
BTW, Camaros are pony cars

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64 T-Bolts and Race Hemis weren't "traditional Muscle Cars". Neither were Camaros, Mustangs or Cudas and Challengers.
Novas were. Wann's Mr. 413 would have been. 67 Fairlanes were.

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So was a 1970 Camaro a pony car still or a muscle car? What about a Mach 1 Mustang fastback? Where is Webster's on the exact definition of a muscle vs pony car? Corvette's I guess are also a completely different category.
I think the original posters question was referring to all high HP cars of the 60's to early 70's that run Stock.

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No, they aren't. Corvettes are "sports" cars.
The original poster specifically said "traditional" Muscle Car.
"Traditional Muscle Cars" were full and mid-sized cars with HP engines.
Webster's doesn't even fully understand the true definition of a car.

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Boy, I am really confused. Was Yac’s National Event winner FWD a Muscle car ?? Obviously I am asking for a friend …..

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Savoys, Belvederes. etc. are intermediate Chryslers, but race hemis weren't borrowed from their full size line so they don't qualify either ;-)

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Graduated from high school in 1967 and think everyone considered GTO’s, Road Runners, Super Bee’s, Chevelles, GS Stage cars, WO Cutlasses, etc all muscle cars. Don’t think anyone would have considered Camaros like the Yenko’s, Six Pack E bodies, etc anything but muscle cars. Hemi cars built by several would qualify as candidates for some of the quickest in Stock.

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From Wiki :
The first generation of the GTO is credited as popularizing the muscle car market segment in the 1960s.[2][3] The Pontiac GTO is considered by some to have started the trend with all four domestic automakers offering a variety of competing models.


Origins (of the GTO)

In early 1963, General Motors' management banned divisions from involvement in auto racing. This followed the 1957 voluntary ban on automobile racing that was instituted by the Automobile Manufacturers Association.[6] By the early 1960s, Pontiac's advertising and marketing approach was heavily based on performance. With GM's ban on factory-sponsored racing, Pontiac's managers began to emphasize street performance.

In his autobiography Glory Days, Pontiac chief marketing manager Jim Wangers, who worked for the division's contract advertising and public relations agency, states that John DeLorean, Bill Collins, and Russ Gee were responsible for the GTO's creation. It involved transforming the upcoming second-generation Pontiac Tempest (which reverted to a conventional front-engine with front transmission configuration) into a sporty car, with a larger 389 cu in (6.4 L) Pontiac V8 engine from the full-sized Pontiac Grand Prix hardtop coupe in place of the standard 326 cu in (5.3 L) V8. By promoting the big-engine option as a special high-performance model, they could appeal to the youth market (which had also been recognized by Ford Motor Company's Lee Iacocca, who was at that time preparing the Ford Mustang variant of the second generation Ford Falcon compact).

The GTO disregarded GM's policy limiting the A-body intermediate line to a maximum engine displacement of 330 cu in (5.4 L). The development team discovered a loophole in the policy which does not restrict large engines to be offered as an option.[1] Pontiac general manager Elliot "Pete" Estes approved the new model with sales manager Frank Bridge limiting initial production to 5,000 cars.


As a great radio host once said "words mean things "

Carry on...

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I’d prefer Mid Size Muscle Car…..

The definition of a muscle car is a bit more nebulous, because there was no single model that spawned the muscle car wars. But the recipe is simple enough: Drop a huge V8 into a two-door coupe and optimize only for straight-line speed. Raw power, lack of sophistication, and that distinctly American swagger are the hallmarks of all the great muscle cars.

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Even though I'm a Mopar guy now. I always thought the 1965 Pontiac 2plus2 was a great looking hotrod. !967 427 fastback Impala was very cool too.

Paul Haszlauer

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This gets tricky since the question was about cars currently being racing but we're sidetracked on definition. It was probably different for a lot of people.

If you look back, the cars we're talking about weren't originally called muscle cars. Check any mid 60s magazine with tests of these cars and they were referred to as super cars. Muscle car came later.

For me, it was the cars we were racing back then, on the street and on the strip. Note that the statute of limitations has expired [lol) Some cars were considered worthy and it was almost never the family car.

My definition is any 60s to early 70s (before smog) performance package car. By that I mean that a 327/300 was an upgrade from the standard 327/250 but was not a muscle car. A L79 certainly was.

My best (though a bit vague) shot is a car with increased camshaft, intake manifold, compression ratio, and probably what the manufacturers classed as severe duty rear end and suspension.

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Wikipedia definitions are just the opinions of whoever wrote the entry. A muscle car is whatever you think it is. I graduated HS in 1971 and any two-door sedan with a high performance or tricked-out engine was considered a muscle car in those circles. The term "muscle" as related to cars of that day and age was pretty non-specific in terms of body style, but always related to performance, mainly drag race. Witness FoMoCo's parts and information catalog from 1969/1970 which was titled "Muscle Parts" and is quite an interesting read. Check out the price list in the back!

https://www.mustangtek.com/Library2/MuscleParts.html

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Yet another thread derailed by the "I know more than you do" syndrome.

I would say Jason Line's Buick should be in the conversation...fingers crossed that the semantics police allow it.

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I would say Jason's car fills the bill. In fact , that's the first one I thought of.
BTW , nice "shoebox" you have there.

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Full size cars years before the GTO were muscle cars to me

Chevy's, Pontiac's, Ford's and Mopars and some others all had big motor options and 4 speeds and some with multiple carb options....

I took a ride in a brand new '64 Plymouth 426 street wedge 4 speed convertible before I had a license with a buddy and that car sure was a muscle car to me on that ride !!

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Wow, did this run off the rails, I think it is safe to assume what this guy was asking is what were the fastest 60's / 70's era cars that ran in Stock. Instead, it turned into some sort of argument about what exactly is classified as a muscle car, I don't think that was the point of the question.

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I don't know, Jim
I think the only thing that is safe to assume it the o/p would like to hear about more FE powered Mustangs.
So, now that we've learned that a musclecar can be anything you want it to be, including full size and convertibles, I'll go with the Shelby style Mustangs of Bill hawk, Jim Morgan, and Kenny Meile.

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Right? I feel like I walked into a coffee/barber shop. I thought I might read something interesting but nope.

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I think that it's very interesting how different "Car Guys" view what a "traditional" Muscle Car is.
Ya know, I used to race a 1985 Pontiac Sunbird Turbo. It was fun and pretty fast. In the 1985 model year, the Turbo Sunbird WAS the fastest Pontiac body style period. I don't know if it's a Muscle Car though.

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More like Joe's Bar and Grille to me...Wait ..it's Grill, isn't it?

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Agree with many of the names mentioned already. In an effort to get this thread back on track, I will throw out a few cars, some of which are sandbaggers that rarely show what their capable of running:

Jim Boudreau, '69 Camaro 396
Don Little, 1970 426 Hemi
Dwayne Scheitlin, 1970 Challenger 440 Six Pack
Ryan McClanahan, 1969 Camaro 427
John Shaul, 1964 Plymouth Fury 426 Max Wedge

Hopefully, with the new AHFS rules, people will be more inclined put up some big numbers at least once a year at fast tracks.

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Barber shop not necessary for many of us that lived thru the “muscle car” era

Sorry if my post went a bit off the rails, I was just reminiscing and got off the main question

The big cars are rarely raced in the modern era of Stock but they certainly were at one time.

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Back in early 70s, we were at the Saturday night street races with a 70 350 LT1 Camaro and a 67 396 375 chevelle, a guy showed up with a white 1963 Ford Galaxy with a 406 3 duece Thunderbolt and schooled us on what a muscle car was.
Randy Wells
I/S 5628

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When did I mention FE Mustangs? There are none that qualify for my post hence the reason I mentioned Ponds cars and Steve Wann's. You sure look like a ***** with your replies to a simple question!

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They were considered full size at the time.


IMHO a traditional muscle car would be up to the year of 1965

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My favorite "Muscle Car" is the 1969.5 (A12) Plymouth Road Runner 440 6bbl. Steve Wann has "tuned up" a few with great results in Stock Eliminator.

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Simple answer :
Okay, so now we know for sure specifically what you were looking for, this thread would have been over in three or four posts .
At least I helped in getting it to 3-4 pages ;-)

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...wait, weren't " traditional " shoeboxes, 55-57 Chevys?
asking for a friend...

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No.
They were actually 49-51 Fords in the hot rod and custom car world.

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Of course...

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I have been busy the last few day's but seeing all these replies, It shows all the wanna be's & has been's being super jealous of the real cars putting down real passes! Mark Yaca****um hasn't done anything in years and Billy who cares goes right along with him.
It wasn't hard to understand my post! Sorry, at the end of the day, NOBODY will remember you or care of about your combo's! Grow a set and build a real car!

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Bob...who?

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You know, I have always enjoyed viewing your photos, until now. REMEMBER, it’s best to keep one’s mouth SHUT and be thought a fool than to OPEN it and remove all doubt ….WITH WARMEST REGARDS,…… MJ QUINN

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Boy did this derail badly. Time to calm down and get along before it becomes yellowbullet.

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phuckstick comes to mind

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Bob,
Since this post followed mine, I would like to say a couple of things. I was trying to be funny, not insulting to Mark. I was a teenager when he raced at Conn. Dragway and have only respect for his accomplishments, since then.
Doing more with less, is its own reward. To each their own.
Thanks, MJ

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"wanna be's & has been's"


Well not so much in Yacavonne's case. We are talking about someone who been racing NHRA Stock and Super Stock and chasing points since around 1970, and fielded many combinations which have run considerably under the index in every case. And not only did he race the cars, he built the engines, transmissions, rear ends, headers, converters, paint, I will say he never did the upholstery though. So when a life long racer builds the car and the trailer to tow the car in his mid 70s, its going to be hard for me to disparage him, I can only hope I can do so well when I'am his age.

Years ago Yac was the subject of mine and a engine building friend of mine, I would bust his balls over the "dime rocket" builds, and to Mark's credit he didn't get all over me about it, but he did send me pictures of his Monte Carlo build, after studying the pictures I realized this was a well built car with a lot of thought put into it, I then realized how wrong I was! Since then Mark's built several trans for me, and I enjoy bouncing ideas off him.

So I'am curious since I've raced in Colorado's thin air for years and have alway had the fastest small tire (9 inch) NA production engined full weight Stocker style cars bar none in Colorado, a video for proof. I can't remember running into you and your Mustang? Can you post the performance of your Mustang so I can have a look, thanks.

https://youtu.be/SHPv387KYaQ
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