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It use to be a BIG THING! Early days you would get National points for it! Now only bracket laps count! Hmmm

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They're saving it for a very special moment in time. Whenever that ****ing might be.

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Lolol I tried at Belle Rose it was set pretty deep. I missed it by 5 huns. Record set by mineshaft east coaster... Bucket list for me!

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NHRA doesn't even consider them important enough to list them in Nat'l Dragster. That, along with the two year rule made me decide it wasn't worth my time.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

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As a teenager I would read the NHRA records page so often that I had many of your names and hometowns memorized. Miss that about the DRAGSTER.

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Bubski is thinking the problem is class racing has been overtaken by bracket racers looking for a a sitting duck who just wants a personal best ET for whatever conditions may be be !! Not very many racers left who would stay in it all the way to see if they made a positive move in Performance !! The bracket people figured this out quick and made it less desirable to work on your combo or for that matter to care about national records , that drove the record setting performance mentality out of class racing for the most part . Sure theres still guys working their AZZ off to be the best in their class but most of the time their just along for the ride with the shoe polish like the bracket guys !! Racing just like politics !! NO real leaders just politicians !! And not many real racers just bracket guys !! Nothing against bracket guys they play the rules given to them and Stock and Super Stock are pretty much the same as bracket 2 nowadays !!

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Ya know, there's "car guys" and "racers". Every once-in-a-while there will be a guy who's both but not very often.
There's not many "car guys" left. I guess they've all gotten old and gone streetrodding (ugh).

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I have wondered the same thing. I know that the technical expertise and manpower is getting slim. We are blessed in Division 3 to still have the people that can perform a thorough teardown.

Since I was recently the subject of their inspection we chatted about this at Norwalk during a break in their duties. National points, contingency, the list in National Dragster were mentioned. I also think that many racers(Bracket racers? LOL) are not wanting to tear down and put their stuff back together. They have their engine builders for that. I was amused by the big name builders in the barn at Indy in the past. .

I wonder also if NHRA see's National Record program as not cost effective. As in the return really doesn't justify the expense. I get it. At some point these classes evolve. New ideas and fresh thinking. If the competitors don't care why should they.

It has always been one thing that I admired. Another goal at some point.

Robin

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I think the fact that the records are no longer published has had a big impact.

The NHRA makes a huge deal about Pro records being broken, but has gone in the opposite direction with Stock and Super Stock.

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On the racer side lots of us stock and super stock racers are getting older. I will be 64 this year. Early on in my career I was able to set the record in my car a couple of times. Right now I dont even know if there is a record in my class or if it is at the minimum. Personally I dont want to run qualifying all day then tear my engine down to do tech then put the thing back together to race the next day. I do build my own engines and am perfectly capable of doing that. Just dont care to. I am sure there are some that buy their engines and have never taken one apart and reassembled it to race the next morning.
Now at the D2 races we have been running one or two rounds on Saturday afternoon/evening so that eliminates the record setting and tear down. I cant remember the last time I saw someone tearing down to set a record. Especially an old guy like me.

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Lack of appreciation by NHRA and zero incentives. In short, the bean counters at NHRA got what they wanted. It cost money for them to support record setting. The decision makers are not racers they are accountants. They want to collect money from membership for services that they don’t provide. They don’t want to spend money.

As far as the ability to tear down. I am sure that most racers would find a way to learn or get support if setting a record was of benefit to them.

We have set a lot of records, but not so much lately. We used to scout through the records list. It was really an inexpensive source of recognition that drove a lot of people to proactively work on their cars, chase the best races to set records, etc. if the execs at NHRA wanted this they could easily fix it.

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It is disappointing that they don't recognize records like they once did in Dragster. They do list them on nhraracer.com and of course you still get the certificate. My 18-year-old son and myself had the pleasure of setting the D/SA record last fall at Indy and it was a really cool father-son thing for us to experience.

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ZERO incentive!

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In division 1 we have open races to be able to set a record. I did set a record and went thru the full teardown procedure. I was by myself and it took me a full 12 hours to teardown and put back together. I'm right there in age and it took all I had to do it. I set my mind to do it and glad I did. Now I won't be doing it again this year but glad to have great tech people to get it done. I did have help moving my car back to my trailer from a great Hoven family!

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If one did want to set a record wouldn't a National Open be the best time to do so?

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I set the SS/N record in 2019 as it was a big deal to prove my car and engine is legal to myself. The satisfaction of all the trials and broken parts to get it to that point is an ego thing. Constantly trying something to see if that works or doesn’t is what drives me in this performance based class. It’s disappointing that we can’t get a small space in ND once a year of the national records. Even trying to find the current Stock and SS national records is a joke online. The ability to set records with the divisional tech staffing at opens is also a problem the last couple of years.

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National Opens are definitely the best place to set a record. Division 7 National opens at Sacramento and Fallon are in June so the weather generally doesn't cooperate. Would love to see the Sacramento National Open or Maybe a Bakersfield National open the weekend before the Winternationals.

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What Glen and Mike have said has a lot to do with it. The only place because of the AHFS is at an open if you want to set it at more than 1 under. I'm 66 and until this year was working about 60 hours a week. It's a lot of work to go threw the process and most of us getting older don't have the gas in the tank we did in our younger years. I've been threw Indy tear down's several times with different cars. Have made it threw every time but it's a long normally hot day. I laugh at the racers who haven't done it and would come on hear and say I don't have a problem tearing my car down. I look at it as getting a colonoscopy. No one really wants to do it but when your done and you get the thumbs up it's a good feeling. BP

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Here in D2 we have a good national open series. Not good for setting records though. Ours is 1/8th mile and they all happen on Sunday after each one of our divisional races. All except SGMP and the Baby Gators.
I am a commercial construction superintendent and work about 60 hours a week and most of the time I am out of town working all week. No retirement in sight for me yet. Everything is just too expensive and I am not ready to give up on racing and traveling. i plan to battle this old age thing for as long as I can.

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Several years ago, I put together a proposal to NHRA to incentivize records and put the performance aspect back into S/SS. They weren’t interested. The other reason was they told me 80% of the s/SS reps DIDNT want it either. I think I still have the emails. So there you go your competition doesn’t want it.

-Ed

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Hey guys some of y'all need speed wrenches and electric impacts! Just sayin! Lolol!

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Maybe someone like Bill Bader jr will buy NHRA and treat the sport as its truly intended. Hence implement mantras what made it it great, instead of pushing towards a low maintenance handicap race. We use to call it Bowling for Dollar$. Comp motor please hurry...

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Totally PERFECT PACKAGE with that comment! Lolol!

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That’s funny, I don’t remember getting asked or polled if I wanted that. Guess it never got pass the reps at the time

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Mike I'm sure you must remember the great D2 open races in December at Montgomery back in the day. Perfect record setting opportunities and that is where I got my one and only record for D/SA in 2004. Rusty Johnson and I were up until 3 AM putting that thing back together, and there must have been 15+ records set at that one event. Tech got a workout on those weekends for sure. Even Bill Holt was measuring valves and looking at ports.

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This is slightly off subject, but I think anyone required to tear down because they went more than 1.20 under, are found legal, and have run faster than the current National record for their class should be awarded the record and receive the certificate.

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I think I sent the ideas I had to Bobby Fazio. Pretty sure he has the emails now.

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They also had a long time SS racer checking valves and port volume. Those were the best of times for sure , those days are over. Not enough tech

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NHRA has taken a nonchalant attitude about S/SS just like societies attitude towards proper attire at certain events. Like when people used to dress in suites and ties at events and now people show up in T-shirts and blue jeans. There used to be a day that it was impressive that you set a record. Now it's kind of a oh hum who cares. I'm not saying that the racer that sets a record shouldn't be proud of the accomplishment, but NHRA just sort of kicked it to the curb with not publishing it in ND and not making a special point in the publication.
We pay our membership fees. With my membership to NHRA, I expect them to do their jobs such as managing racing for a fair playing field with keeping to the rule book, tear downs and inspections of vehicles. Also, giving racers that deserve acknowledgment their dues and having it posted in ND and not as an after thought.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

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and the biggest issue that "WE" have to fix is NHRA's attitude toward it's paying "Members"!
At this point in time, "WE" aren't considered paying "Members" anymore, we're considered "customers"!

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I really think that the NHRA needs to have a "Stocker News" section on their website. Class racing is one of the last remaining Sportsman performance assets that the NHRA has. They are wasting it.

I say, give us 5 points for setting the record (Maximum two times a year).

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With the announcement today of the possibility of revising the National event schedule moving the first race to Gainesville there would be time to get this on the schedule without conflicts.

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Great ideas!
A National Open right around thanksgiving or later in Sonoma would be killer!
With a big Baro, minus big DA till noon and 100-400 DA the rest of the day- Records would fall!

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I proposed that and Nhra said no…

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Ed,
I remember when you proposed it.

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The only thing preventing me from setting a National Record is that last half of a second.Still looking for it.

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Brett, the incentives use to be the awarding of points for setting the ET, like 100 points and half of that for setting the mph. You can bet if points were awarded for setting a national Records, there would be no minimums at all. Besides, if racers were torn down, some may get tossed. There was a time, every class winner at the US Nationals were torn down. Every one of them.

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2022 Division One National Open Event Schedule
04/15/2022 - 04/16/2022 Atco Dragway Atco, N.J.
04/30/2022 - 05/01/2022 Lebanon Valley Dragway West Lebanon, N.Y.
06/18/2022 - 06/18/2022 Toronto Motorsports Park/Cayuga Dragway Cayuga,
06/19/2022 - 06/19/2022 Toronto Motorsports Park/Cayuga Dragway Cayuga,
07/07/2022 - 07/08/2022 Numidia Dragway Numidia, Pa.
07/23/2022 - 07/23/2022 Napierville Dragway Napierville, PQ, Que.
07/24/2022 - 07/24/2022 Napierville Dragway Napierville, PQ, Que.
07/29/2022 - 07/29/2022 Mirramichi Dragway Park Napan, N.B.
07/30/2022 - 07/30/2022 Mirramichi Dragway Park Napan, N.B.
10/21/2022 - 10/23/2022 Maple Grove Raceway Mohnton, Pa.
There are 10 event(s) scheduled for this series.

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Why don’t we set records
It’s a lot of work
My car isn’t fast enough
Nobody cares
There’s no reward
And you are talking about a handful of cars capable of it

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Hello Mark
Where did you see this announcement?
I could not find it on NHRA website or fb page.