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Dave Noll 11-12-2021 02:35 AM

1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Just a question as to what the rest of the country is seeing. Are your tracks switching to 1/8 mile after running 1/4 mile? I get that insurance is cheaper. I will race either one but my overwhelming preference is 1/4 mile.

FireSale 11-12-2021 03:12 AM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Bremerton is one of those airport dragstrips that is long enough to run 1/4 mile but not built for drag racing. It turns downhill at the 1/8 mile mark and is rough at the 1/4. They ran 1/4 until the Handlers Racing Association Presidency changed hands a few years ago. It's car club operated. The current President switched to 1/8 because he felt it was safer. Probably is. Pacific Raceway, on the other hand is a purpose built track and will always be 1/4 mile except for some of those dumb No Prep races. The lanes at Bremerton have filled since switching to 1/8, especially with more .90 and Comp cars showing up. I have run both and find 1/8 a real challenge. A lot happens in a short span of time.

Jim Kaekel 11-12-2021 09:46 AM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Definitely happened in Michigan. US131 Motorsports Park and Mid-Michigan Motorplex used to run 1/4 mile brackets up until a couple of years ago. Personally, I'm not a fan of 1/8 mile.

Keith 944 11-12-2021 11:52 AM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
US 13 dragway in Delmar Delaware switched over to 1/8 mile drag racing a couple years back. Motorcycles and street class can still run 1/4 mile. My preference is 1/4

FireSale 11-12-2021 12:47 PM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Any reasons stated from management for the above mentioned changes? Dennis at the Handlers faced a lot of flack over taking Bremerton to 1/8 mile but stuck to his safety rational.
Anyone know how this Street Outlaw/No Prep thing got set up on 1/8?

Jeff Stout 11-12-2021 01:59 PM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Both tracks run 1/8 and 1/4 here in AZ. Depends on promoter. Either one works with me.

FireSale 11-12-2021 02:51 PM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Renegade in Yakima WA. ran 1/8 for Outlaw 10.5 and 1/4 for S/SS. Got nasty winds on Sunday and switched everything to 1/8. It's just a system click for them. I remember Milan shutting down early in the Fall for leaves being blown in the timing lights at 1/4. Might have been able to finish the day at 1/8. Too bad about that track. My first exposure to the sport.

Rory McNeil 11-13-2021 01:41 AM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSale (Post 652153)
Any reasons stated from management for the above mentioned changes? Dennis at the Handlers faced a lot of flack over taking Bremerton to 1/8 mile but stuck to his safety rational.
Anyone know how this Street Outlaw/No Prep thing got set up on 1/8?

I started racing at Bremerton in 1980, and it was always 1/4 mile until a few years ago. Hell, back in the 70s, they ran Top Fuel dragsters and Nitro Funny Cars there. The track is more than long enough, but for whatever reason, the starting line was moved forward some years ago, and they also installed a "fence" across the track, about 200 feet closer to the finish line, and made a new exit to the return road, essentially reducing the shutdown by that amount. The first few years I raced at Bremerton, the racing surface was closer to the right, and the return road exit was also on the right, No idea why they moved the track to the left, and made the return road on the left as well. Bremerton Raceway is a WW11 Bomber airstrip, than is much wider and longer than most 1/4 mile dragstrips, that for some reason had the racing surface moved around, and shortened, even though the actual paved surface is much longer. I always loved racing at Bremerton, but have not been there since the change to 1/8th mile.
I can see how an 1/8th mile track is obviously cheaper to built, as that much less land is needed, less pavement, guardrail/wall, less timing sensors etc, but changing an already in use, 1/4 mile dragstrip, to 1/8th , ,makes no sense to me.

jmcarter 11-13-2021 10:19 AM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
I bracket raced at Bremerton when I was living on the Peninsula from 2001-2006 (also in 1982 in a SS396 Chevelle, my first race since 1969 and won $20 so that set the hook) and miss how wide open it felt after you get over the “hill” at mid track. Very unique track to say the least. Particularly enjoyed running a friend’s Hemi car there in 2006, felt like I was going to join the airstrip’s flight pattern after being use to running a 340 LOL. I would not hesitate to run there again and support the Handlers club in their efforts to provide a racing venue in a relatively remote area of the PNW. In fact, I’ll support any track that runs a good program than helps our sport, REGARDLESS of 1/8 or 1/4. Anyone resistant to running 1/8 should try Galot if they can, your opinions may change.

Dave Noll 11-14-2021 04:19 AM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
I saw on IG that Woodburn had shortened 1 of their events to 1/8 mile, I don't remember why. Do they do that more? What about Pacific ? Boise? Hopefully the new owners of Spokane will keep it 1/4 mile.

Rory McNeil 11-14-2021 08:33 AM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Dave, not sure what IG is, or which event Woodburn ran as 1/8th mile, but it seems that most of the "small tire, power adder" type events in Div. 6 run 1/8th mile. This type of racer seems to not minding having to blow up engines, lift, change lanes, or the occasionally crash or bang into the guardrail, so I imagine the shortening of these races is to help reduce the amount of crashes, oil downs, injuries etc, when guys try putting 2000 HP down on 8 1/2" tires, or radials, on un prepped tracks.

Charlie Yannetti 11-14-2021 09:56 AM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Not for nothin', folks.. BUT, if it ain't 1/4 mile, it ain't.. just ask Wally Parks...

B Parker 11-14-2021 10:38 AM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
If you race 1/8 mile you take half the fun out of it. BP

jimmyparker 11-14-2021 11:21 AM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
When our local track operator changed over to 1/8th mile one of his reasons was it would be easier on the race cars to run a shorter distance. My response was I've broke probably more than my share of parts over the years but it always happened before half track.

FireSale 11-14-2021 12:12 PM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by B Parker (Post 652307)
If you race 1/8 mile you take half the fun out of it. BP

So, Brian Thompson ($6,500) beating Brad Burton ($2,000 RU) in a field of 172 cars is only 1/2 fun?
2021 John Kilroy Footbrake Challenge Saturday race aka Northwest Independence Shootout.

Maybe he's just a drag strip junky, but it's painfully common to see Jody Lang in the lanes for this race. He was the 2020 winner.
In other words, 1/8 mile is a different set of skills. There is close to zero room to use your reserve power to make up for a mistake on the line.



On the topic of No Prep Small Tire fiasco racing, There was a twin turbo Mustang at the last Renegade race of the season that had so much power it couldn't make a pass. Kept bumping through the lights even when they let it restage twice.



Grudge and No-Prep are like a scab on the forearm of our hobby.

427FE 11-14-2021 02:30 PM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSale (Post 652316)
Grudge and No-Prep are like a scab on the forearm of our hobby.


Fortunately, they help keep the lights on at alot of racetracks

Dave Noll 11-14-2021 05:30 PM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Rory, IG = Instagram

Dave Noll 11-14-2021 06:09 PM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Woodburn's 1/8 miles:

April 10 this was a Super Shifters and a bunch of different stuff.

May 15 - 16 but this was a 8.5, 10.5 deal

Then a Wed night $5k on June 30, last minute deal. They did host S/SS @ this but still appeared to be 1/8.

b.guggenmos 11-14-2021 11:32 PM

Re: 1/4 vs 1/8 mile Dragstrip's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 652240)
I bracket raced at Bremerton when I was living on the Peninsula from 2001-2006 (also in 1982 in a SS396 Chevelle, my first race since 1969 and won $20 so that set the hook) and miss how wide open it felt after you get over the “hill” at mid track. Very unique track to say the least. Particularly enjoyed running a friend’s Hemi car there in 2006, felt like I was going to join the airstrip’s flight pattern after being use to running a 340 LOL. I would not hesitate to run there again and support the Handlers club in their efforts to provide a racing venue in a relatively remote area of the PNW. In fact, I’ll support any track that runs a good program than helps our sport, REGARDLESS of 1/8 or 1/4. Anyone resistant to running 1/8 should try Galot if they can, your opinions may change.

Like Rory I raced at Bremerton for a long time stating in 1983 when we exited the track on the right and returned on the right. Some really fast cars have raced Bremerton. I was very disappointed when it changed to 1/8 mile as I have always considered Bremerton my home track. I had not raced for a few years for various reasons but that ended this year. I went to Bremerton to give it a try. I honestly absolutely hated 1/8 mile racing! Not for me. I have heard all the reasons people like 1/8 mile but not for me. I then went to Seattle and Woodburn and it was so much more fun. Most likely I will never go to Bremerton again unless they return to 1/4 mile? I am a low 10 second stick car.


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