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bubski 08-21-2021 07:14 PM

No more AHFS !!
 
With the total lack of tech and integrity among the racers !! Its time to move on from AHFS !! Look at comp !! PI is the next best thing to saving the class ! However Stock and Super Stock cannot have "personal indexes " How can 2 A/autos runs heads up with different indexes ? The only solution is "Personal Class " CL that way if you want to cheat up to the top you get bumped into next faster class to keep it heads up till you can't cheat no more and maintain an advantage !! Go on cheat and spend your money !! however now it will catch up to you faster !! sincerely Bubski!! How bout opening your hoods sometime at Class Racer nationals ?? You know who I mean !!

Dale Hulquist 08-21-2021 07:40 PM

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Bubski, i think its a great idea and thats the way its done in comp, i have a friend that runs comp and when he runs another k/AA they have two different indexes on the score boards.

Dale Hulquist 08-21-2021 07:45 PM

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I stand corrected, i just called my friend ( i should have called him before i hit send) and he said the personal index goes away when they run another car in the same class. The personal just counts during qualifying. But i still like your idea.

bubski 08-21-2021 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Hulquist (Post 646015)
Bubski, i think its a great idea and thats the way its done in comp, i have a friend that runs comp and when he runs another k/AA they have two different indexes on the score boards.

That will not matter as the 1.20 under plus cars will go up to the next class until it evens out !! Same start !! just in a faster class as you deserve to be !! Enough is enough that everyone does'nt work as hard !! Not everyone has ZERO !! morales !! And now you can pay for them !! Same index and Class as deemed by your level of "enhancing" your !! combo !!

GUMP 08-21-2021 09:44 PM

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Better yet, maybe you should protest all these cheaters....

RULER 08-22-2021 03:11 AM

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Great idea, NOT, leave class racing alone, They already have a class for people that just want to bracket race, it’s called Pro Bracket, it’s run at your local track most weekends, Think of all the money you’ll save very little rules and a lot less travel

MoJo Risen 08-22-2021 07:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 646028)
Better yet, maybe you should protest all these cheaters....

NHRA DOES NOT HAVE THE TECHINAL EXPERTISE TO CATCH THE CHEATERS. Even when stockers show up with out a intake manifold, a throttle body, and neither a transmission like Don Carson did one year at US Nationals.

TOSTO RACING 08-22-2021 08:13 AM

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Oh the tech guys have the expertise believe me. Its the higher ups that don't care!

bubski 08-22-2021 08:59 AM

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Bubski did not imply anywhere in his post about changing any rules !! What Bubski is saying is lets even out the field due to a complete failure of the rule system and its enforcement !! Bubski also believes there are many in the NHRA tech dept who do care , however their hands are tied and their mouths taped shut by the NHRA "leadership" Now on to more fun !! Some of the responders to this post would like to have transmission rules changed for their benefit ! Whatever happened to picking a combo where you liked the transmissions and engines available ?? You don't build a 67 Z28 and ask for a power glide after you build the car !! Go bracket racing is another fun one !! Without tech and rules ,how could you not feel like your in bracket ?? And finally !! Im "sure" Mr Don was trying his best not to be rude to the Tech guys as he thought they were pulling the engine out by hand ,so he lightened it up a little to help them !! A long block is much easier to lift without all that extra weight of the trans and other parts that need to be inspected to see if they conform to the rules

Billy Nees 08-22-2021 09:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bubski (Post 646014)
The only solution is "Personal Class " CL that way if you want to cheat up to the top you get bumped into next faster class to keep it heads up till you can't cheat no more and maintain an advantage !! Go on cheat and spend your money !! however now it will catch up to you faster !!

GREAT idea bubski!!!!!! This will help me expedite my master plan for Stock/SS World Domination!!!!
I'll flood all of the single car classes with ten-cent POS cars that won't get checked for Tech just like all of the other high $$$ combos. All I've got to do is start dragging them home and handing them out to my Minions!
Ha Ha Ha Ha (evil villain laugh)

Billy Nees 08-22-2021 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bubski (Post 646048)
What Bubski is saying is lets even out the field due to a complete failure of the rule system and its enforcement !!

Yes! Yes! Something else that the Stock/SS world needs! A National (event) welfare system! Can I sign up using about 6 different names?
This will be great! I'll show all of those high-dollar combo baxtids!


Wait a minute....... bubski bubski...........that name seems familiar.........
Aren't you the a-hole who was picking on my Cavalier a few months ago?

After an exhaustive search of your post history (yawn), I realize that you were picking on ME and not my Cavalier.... I'm alright with that.

GUMP 08-22-2021 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bubski (Post 646048)
...Some of the responders to this post would like to have transmission rules changed for their benefit...

Since I am racing COPO Camaros, this wouldn't benefit me at all. But, since you brought it up, how is it fair that I can run a transmission that doesn't have one OEM part?

B/SA 187 08-22-2021 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 646052)
Since I am racing COPO Camaros, this wouldn't benefit me at all. But, since you brought it up, how is it fair that I can run a transmission that doesn't have one OEM part?

is that the same 9 inch rear lol

GUMP 08-22-2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by B/SA 187 (Post 646057)
is that the same 9 inch rear lol

We can currently build a 9", Dana, or 12-bolt without using any OEM parts. So, not the same thing (if that is what you are trying to say?). The thread that I started was more about SFI compliance. LOL!

Dave Gantz 08-22-2021 10:25 AM

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https://www.speeli.com/why-do-some-p...-third-person/
Lots of reasons, not many of them any good. lol

Billy Nees 08-22-2021 10:33 AM

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bubski needs a hug..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfF3DJQs_G0

tommy d 08-22-2021 10:39 AM

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L.Fite 08-22-2021 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Gantz (Post 646062)
https://www.speeli.com/why-do-some-p...-third-person/
Lots of reasons, not many of them any good. lol

i JUST FIND IT ANNOYING!!!

Mark Yacavone 08-22-2021 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Gantz (Post 646062)
https://www.speeli.com/why-do-some-p...-third-person/
Lots of reasons, not many of them any good. lol

I'll go with 1, 7

bubski 08-22-2021 02:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 646049)
GREAT idea bubski!!!!!! This will help me expedite my master plan for Stock/SS World Domination!!!!
I'll flood all of the single car classes with ten-cent POS cars that won't get checked for Tech just like all of the other high $$$ combos. All I've got to do is start dragging them home and handing them out to my Minions!
Ha Ha Ha Ha (evil villain laugh)

Bubski is a little disappointed with the ignorance of sum people !! What Bubski is saying is that no one should be getting horsepower or index adjustments under the current free for all system !! If your so fast and special and are not held to the standards of the class cause no one is even looking at them !! Feel free to go about your chest pumping business if thats what makes you feel good !! You should have no problem going up a class !! Bubski doesn't get it Mr Knees !! If you flood the eliminator with POS turds !! Whats that got to do with going fast and horsepower hits ?? Those cars will be a part of the bracket race ,not much if any influence on qualifying or combo runoffs !! Bubski would like to suggest that if you do get a fleet of those things running ,that you kindly ask NHRA to put the track driers behind them when they stage to expedite their trip down the track !!

GUMP 08-22-2021 02:24 PM

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Who is Bubski?

Frank Castros 08-22-2021 02:36 PM

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Bubski is a self imagined genius.

Billy Nees 08-22-2021 02:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bubski (Post 646080)
Bubski doesn't get it Mr Knees !! If you flood the eliminator with POS turds !! Whats that got to do with going fast and horsepower hits ??

The point? "Come on man!"
Tech inspection doesn't just exist for all of the Racers who just want to go fast or BE the fastest. It does have something to do with Hp and index welfare though!
Just like politics, there's a vast number of Racers who are just happy to go out and compete with their buds. They're good, honest, legal Racers. Then you've got the EXTREME HIGH UP Racers (I don't want to call them Extreme left or right) who will do what ever and spend what ever it takes to be the #1 Q or the fastest in their class and if they've got to cheat to do it well, "everybody else is doing it so I will too" (heard that one before). On the other end of the spectrum there's the EXTREME LOW-DOWN Racers. These are the guys that you're not thinking about because they don't stand out who will do what ever it takes and spend as little as it takes to win a race or win a Wally and if they've got to cheat to do it well, you guessed it, "everybody else is doing it so I will too".
Tech is for ALL the Racers out there. Yes, we need more but we can't force the poor guys in the trenches to do more than they're capable of or more than their bosses tell them to do!

Now where do I sign up for the National Event Welfare? And do I get Medicaid?

By-the-way bub, my "Gangsta" name is Bobby Ankles.

wdrevojr38 08-22-2021 05:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 646049)
GREAT idea bubski!!!!!! This will help me expedite my master plan for Stock/SS World Domination!!!!
I'll flood all of the single car classes with ten-cent POS cars that won't get checked for Tech just like all of the other high $$$ combos. All I've got to do is start dragging them home and handing them out to my Minions!
Ha Ha Ha Ha (evil villain laugh)

Billy, you're evil!

bubski 08-22-2021 06:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 646086)
The point? "Come on man!"
Tech inspection doesn't just exist for all of the Racers who just want to go fast or BE the fastest. It does have something to do with Hp and index welfare though!
Just like politics, there's a vast number of Racers who are just happy to go out and compete with their buds. They're good, honest, legal Racers. Then you've got the EXTREME HIGH UP Racers (I don't want to call them Extreme left or right) who will do what ever and spend what ever it takes to be the #1 Q or the fastest in their class and if they've got to cheat to do it well, "everybody else is doing it so I will too" (heard that one before). On the other end of the spectrum there's the EXTREME LOW-DOWN Racers. These are the guys that you're not thinking about because they don't stand out who will do what ever it takes and spend as little as it takes to win a race or win a Wally and if they've got to cheat to do it well, you guessed it, "everybody else is doing it so I will too".
Tech is for ALL the Racers out there. Yes, we need more but we can't force the poor guys in the trenches to do more than they're capable of or more than their bosses tell them to do!

Now where do I sign up for the National Event Welfare? And do I get Medicaid?

By-the-way bub, my "Gangsta" name is Bobby Ankles.

Bubski likes your hands on ankles position along with your president !! However mr Knees !! this isn't about the very few and far between racers !! What Bubski is saying is that super fast performers are not being kept in check !! Fortunately for YOU you won't have these problems or cause them for anyone else !! I would let you put a plug in my rear tire of my FWD PUSS CASE anytime !! or sharpen my spokeshave !! YOUR POINTS ARE IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION AS YOUR CARS ARE NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM !! EXCEPT THE VOMIT FACTOR FOR WATCHING THEM TRY TO MAKE IT TO THE FINISH LINE !! BUBSKI is tired n has to go clean up his Hall Toledo orbital grinder before he goes in tonight !! And make an adapter for his intake flangeless heads !! Bubski WISHES YOU WOULD GET IT !! BUT BUBSKI KNOWS YOU WONT !!

Billy Nees 08-22-2021 06:33 PM

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Ya talk a lotta trash, ya rattle off a few high-end pieces of shop equipment. Ya got nothin' to show.
For the right person with the right money, I might assume the "hands on my ankles" position but YOU can't afford it!

STK1217 08-22-2021 06:51 PM

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Bubski sounds a lot like 1320 Racer.

Mike Jones 08-22-2021 07:02 PM

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I`ll say one thing for you, Bubski. You know how to bait a hook.

GUMP 08-22-2021 07:05 PM

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This got dumb in a hurry. I will tear my stuff down upon request....

Bruce Fulper 08-22-2021 07:55 PM

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I want to be the quickest in my Class. I will be legal. I WANT torn down to silence the keyboard piss ants. I think this is the way to be. Beating P.C. Richards at Indy in 2004 for Class was the highlight of my mechaical career. Anyone that knows me knows I'm FAR from being a "High Dollar Racer." I'm more like the Billy Nees of Super Stock. :-) !!!

AND, my little ol' 428 combination set the standard for all of the quickest pure Pontiacs in S/S today.

Are THEY all legal? Hmmmm.....

Brian Oakes 08-22-2021 09:12 PM

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Bubski, i saw under that hood of that car, i could not believe it and i had to ask question, i never knew what a Stage 1 Buick had for options, when i saw the two carbs on top of that 455, no wonder he would not open the hood, something that heavy and go in the 9's
yea have to give it to him Bubski, he can make it run

Ken Miele 08-23-2021 05:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MoJo Risen (Post 646041)
NHRA DOES NOT HAVE THE TECHINAL EXPERTISE TO CATCH THE CHEATERS. Even when stockers show up with out a intake manifold, a throttle body, and neither a transmission like Don Carson did one year at US Nationals.

Correction Mojo, I was there... I did not see Mojo anywhere on the qualifying sheet. I guess you were just spectating, either way, racer or spectator's are not privy to technical inspections. Only NHRA officials are. I was there when they sealed his engine, and they gave him permission to pull the trans and headers so it would be easy to remove the engine once in teardown. The intake was never taken off prior to teardown, I would love to know who told you that, or is that something you just made up?

Mojo, I think you should know your facts before you post.

HR9121 08-23-2021 11:24 PM

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ME thinks Yo Ken just snapped Bubski's neck and killed this thread!


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