Super Stock GT... new rules
 

You guys running Super Stock GT may want to read the updated rule changes. Not sure how big of a deal it is as I don't run the class, but it may be for you guys.

Super Stock GT Rules

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Advantage FWD cars versus RWD cars as regards to front suspension:
"RWD must retain complete stock front-suspension system as produced by manufacturer for body used". The use of an NHRA accepted front suspension has been deleted.

A few times I requested the allowance of aftermarket Chrome Moly cradle/crossmembers for RWD cars such as Camaros and Mustangs, making easy to use a big oil pan and servicing. Even Bruce Bachelder complemented my proposal that included pictures, drawings and comparisons between FWD converted cars and RWD cars and he did not see a problem, only to get a call from Bruce that it had been shot down by two people in Glendora.

Also notice a big change to the weight break calculations and the addition of two new classes: FGT/AA and FGT/BB.

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If I am reading this correctly, one of the changes is that the shipping weight of the vehicle used no longer matters in GT? You can get any car as light or heavy (within ballast rules) as you want to run GT?

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That is what it appears.

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Does it look like a Gt car can be a 4dr now?

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If only they allowed 4 cylinders in GT also....lol

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Along with other strange rules, why does a Modified Stock need to be '67 or newer but a Modified can be any year? Also agree that it is strange that a SS/GT can only be V8?

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Makes my head hurt, hopefully Dwight will work his magic so I can explore some other possibilities....sympathy to those who are taking a big hit to gain nothing

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Jim,

Since the Ford Pinto was available with a V-6, how about a Pinto with the CJ Windsor 352 or 428 engine in GT class? :D:D:D

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I know you're joking but header fit would be a nightmare, you would need at least a 1 3/4 / 1 7/8 step and there isn't even room for a 1 5/8. I think I'll stick with the 4 cylinder stuff.

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I thought about it a few weeks ago! :D:D:D

There was a pristine, one owner Pinto for sale, with just faded paint and asking $1800.00 in Phoenix, Arizona. I believe the Mustang II headers fit the Pinto and they are available at least in 1-3/4" diameter. I thought it would be cool and paint it like one of Glidden's cars paint schemes! :cool:

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It's probably a descendant of the old A/SM class.
That's the loophole that let the 67 Chevy II in, rather than Camaros only.
Right ,Garley Daniels?

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Kind of wondering if the Pinto and Mustang 2 chassis are not quite the same, getting headers to clear the bellhousing area is almost nonexistant on the Pinto so that is the problem area for headers. As my 4 cylinder SS/FS Pinto has a SBF size bellhousing, I had to do a fenderwell type exit, that works on the left side but wouldn't work on the driver side.

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Saw a guy at a bracket race with a Pinto and he had Dart heads on his SBF engine. He shared he had Mustang II headers and they fit like a glove. He also had a C-4.
Is the SFI stick shift bellhousing larger than a C-4 bellhousing?

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Another clarification that was added for 2021 is regarding fuel checks...it is the sole responsibility of the racer.

SECTION 2: WEIGHING OF VEHICLE/FUEL CHECK (Page 11) (12/3/2020)
It is always the responsibility of the racer to stop at the scales and fuel
check to confirm with tech officials whether their car needs to be weighed
or it’s fuel needs tested. Under no circumstances may a competitor reject
scaling his or her vehicle or fuel check. Any competitor who runs quicker than
any of his or her previous runs during the event in Top Fuel, Funny Car, Pro
Stock, Pro Stock Motorcycle, Top Alcohol Dragster, Top Alcohol Funny Car, Pro
Mod, Comp, Super Stock, or Stock and fails to report to post-run inspection
(scales or fuel check) will be disqualified from the event. The event will be
charged against the competitor’s points events with a zero (0) point counting
toward the driver’s claimed races.

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It's probably a descendant of the old A/SM class.
That's the loophole that let the 67 Chevy II in, rather than Camaros only.
Right ,Garley Daniels? My car is an old Garley Daniels, but his cars were C/SM. Still have the glass hood and 67 fenders and grill in the rafters of my garage. Tom

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I also wonder if it's intent was to keep the early Corvettes out? As you may recall, early Corvettes in that era dominated the Modified ranks particularly because of engine setback. If you recall, Super Mod had a 10.5 tire rule so the Corvettes would have had a distinct traction advantage.

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How 'bout lobbing weight bars out of the trunk before you get to the scale? It's not in the rulebook so it must be legal? Asking for a fellow racer...

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.......Also, don’t forget about DUMPING the water out of the radiator....good for a few pounds....

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Yep, 67 or newer 2dr only, fiberglass limited to hood only, and minimum wheelbase of around 101 " if I remember correctly. Enough to keep the Corvettes out of Super Modified.

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There was only one class at first, I believe.

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Stupid question What is SS GT ?

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A short article on the class, click the link below:

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/when...cing-was-king/

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Well, That looks like all those cars that replaced gear boxes with Rack and Pinion steering and tubular lower control arms will be in the Chassis shops this winter.

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It has never been legal to replace the steering box with a rack in SS/GT cars or change to tubular a-arms.

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There are cars that have gone to a coil over shock system. We took a set off a car that couldn't get enough travel and went back to Landrum springs and stock components.

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I like the change on eliminating weight as a requirement, especially with its potential to keep cost down with bodies(don't need to change that grille and tailight to claim a different year), and creates the opportunity for ultra creative and interesting builds.

Every car is now more versitile. Want to put a few railtrack bars in the *** of the gremlin, run the dragpak 360 motor and do 1/2 track *** scraping wheelies, in FGT/M or N, now you can.

I'm sure Mark is allready pondering his dime and a half ss/gt build!

Eric

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Anyone know what the new FGT/AA and FGT/BB indexes will be?

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Yeah, but the Mavericks would still kill them with HP :D

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The Corvettes wheel base was to short for S/M!

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Incorrect! The old language that they deleted allowed for NHRA to approve aftermarket, NHRA accepted suspensions and read: "or utilize an NHRA-accepted front suspension"

I have seen copies of letters from NHRA allowing their use and even had a copy that I received from Alex Denysenko (RIP) of an NHRA letter allowing tubular arms on a late model Mustang.

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With a stroke of a pen they basically killed previously approved aftermarket suspensions that NHRA had approved and had issued letters for their use.

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That's news to me. Where is the approved NHRA accepted front suspension list published?

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There was no approved list. The racer would send pictures of the components, a description form the vendor website or catalog and NHRA would review it and if deem acceptable, they would issue a letter like they have done with many things.

Have you ever seen part numbers for SFI approved wheels on the accepted parts list? There are lots of parts that are accepted that are not on the list such as the Bump Steer ends that are allowed after many racers showed NHRA the danger and the tendency of the wheel of a car to steer itself after a wheelstand.

One of the problems with NHRA is that they perceive any request for the allowance of new parts as a performance advantage.

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And yet I have see late 90s - early 2000s Camaro & Firebird STOCKERS that had replaced the OE steering box and linkage with a Ford rack & pinion unit. No idea how that ever was allowed.

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1993 - 2002 Firebirds and Camaros had rack and pinion steering from the factory .

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Many items that have nothing to do with safety, are argued as a safety item. I remember not that long ago someone trying to say that certain engine components were not for performance, but for economical and safety reasons. That's probably why NHRA perceives it that way

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Because of the R&P on the Gen 4's there were several Gen3's built and approved by a prior Tech group. I had personal experience and argument about it a few years ago.

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Duane, I was not referring to engine components; I was referring to chassis components.

Many of the newer cars have stamped front crossmembers/cradles and lower control arms that are weak. The wheelstands will even weaken them more and if you notch them for big pans, they require lots of additional material to reinforce them.

It was a war for a Super Stock racer to get NHRA to approve the allowance of aftermarket bump steer kits for safety reasons and it was not until he showed a Tech Division director a car that was at the verge to have a failure that the tech department changed their mind.