Bill Bader Jr. "we are going to open"
 

I saw on local news and Facebook Bader is going to open against Gov. DeWine orders, this could get interesting.

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Just saw that on HLN news. He says if he doesn't get to open this summer, track will be out of business!

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My home track but I cannot support his decision on this. I won't put myself and my immediate family at risk to go racing. Simple math will tell you the death toll and amount of cases are low because people listened. I know folks are anxious to get out but keep in mind this junk is still out there, it hasn't went away yet. We have yet to see the surge but I feel it's coming because of poor decisions like this.

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Make sure you watch Bill Jrs. " Facebook Live " explanation of the current status of Summit Motorsports Park in its entirety. Don't jump to any conclusions based on select excerpts that have become the standard in todays "fake" news casts, When a governor makes a stupid comment like, "I'm considering closing all outdoor sporting events in Ohio for 2020", he just drew a line in the sand. Bill Jr. is just the first, of many, that will take on that challenge head on !. Wake up America …..

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So Jim who is being stupid? The man trying to protect the people of his state or a greedy track owner?

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IMHO

Doing what is necessary to survive is not being greedy. He can open with proper social distancing.


Ron

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Good for him!!!
More businesses that aren’t in a hot spot/major city need to do the same

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I have been waiting and watching here in KY.. I feel either,what has been done, along with population less, more spread out, than other places has helped/worked...
or it is just getting started here.... IDK which or either are right...time will tell..
my thoughts are if Bader and or others open and it goes good... people are OK.. then I will consider getting out... if it goes bad..I'm keeping my butt here in shop like its been for past month....
I completely understand Bader's frustration, yet at same time.... I'm setting there watching video..... thinking of David, Lewis and Mrs. Conkey

We all are in a spot that NO ONE is going to win...either your are going to lose physically, mentally or financially....

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Exactly. No reason why he can't open other than the state. The only place where social distancing would come into play would be at the concession and rest room areas. You'd have to limit riding around on a golf cart with your friends too I suppose. He's got plenty enough seating if you want to go and watch. As far as the rest rooms...the state of Pennsylvania has port-a-potties set up at all the rest areas. How often you think those are getting cleaned?

Our pit spots are far enough away from one another. Standing next to your car in the staging lanes provides plenty space to be far enough from the next guy. If you're waiting with your car in tech, you're plenty far enough from the next guy. I can go on, but you get the point. This early in the year, I'm going to be focused on my car anyways, and not worried about going and conversing with those around me, etc.

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Like the Smithfield pork processing plant in South Dakota. It is not a major city and was not a hot spot. Now it is a hot spot.

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You guys up north might not be exposed to this, yet, because of the weather. But most every Golf Course, including County owned, are open in Florida. Social distancing is not a problem when playing golf with me …. But, if you can social distance enough to play golf, my thought is with a little common sense it can be done at the drags.

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On the other hand. many states tried to leave parks and hiking trails open so people could walk, run and cycle. People were not able to maintain proper distance for those activities so many states closed parks entirely.

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Our courses are closed and the hiking trails clearly indicate keeping a wide berth between yourself and other people.

Bill Bader has many obligations to deal with but the priority here and now should be to not place his patrons in jeopardy, regardless of their enthusiasm to race.

We're staying home.

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On this day last month we had lost 100 Americans to Covid 19, today we have lost more than 34,000... think real hard about that the next time some fool tries to convince you the danger has passed... Protect one another. All life is precious!

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This is like applying the brakes on a icy road....do it wrong, not gradually, bad things are going to happen..I'm staying home

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I understand Bill’s frustration. It has to be a terrible feeling knowing that you could lose your business, one that you’ve put your heart and soul into for many years. Watching that video you can see the Anguish in his face and voice. All that being said, how do you open without a sanctioning body? How do you open without insurance? Who’s going to write the insurance policy in this day and time? What ambulance service is going against state regulations? I’m not saying it can’t happen but there are a lot of things to deal with.

There are thousands of small businesses in the country that won’t make it through this covid 19 crisis. My favorite neighborhood bar, that’s been in business for more than 40 years may not reopen. It’s heartbreaking. On the other hand, who’s going to sit in a crowded grand stand to watch racing or anything else. Who’s going to stand in a crowded bar on Friday night to get a drink? Until we have both a vaccine and good treatment options we are not going back to any kind of normal. I could see some businesses opening back up in limited ways by June, but my feeling is that we are going to be without spectator sports, other than on tv, for the rest of this year.

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Of course, I think of the Conkey family..all the time.
The man says he put his profits back into the business, rather than a vault somewhere. He doesn't have cash on hand to survive ,without re-opening soon . He employs hundred of locals..Now down to three. He doesn't take a salary.
Perhaps you ought to define "greed" for us.

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So what happens if he reopens and three weeks later, a number of people who went to his track test positive for COVID-19? What will happen if any of them die?

In addition to the PR hit that he and the track will take, there could also be lawsuits. It won't just be him ... it will be every other business and organization that their name on the track.

Do you think his insurance company told him it is OK with his plan to reopen?

In a case like this, I would define greed as when money overrides good judgement and common sense.

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I don't worry about maintaining proper social distancing at the race track, but at the same time, I haven't touched a gas pump handle in over a month. On a typical race weekend, I'm filling the motorhome, filling gas cans, buying a bag of ice. People from all over the region will be intermingling at various points along the way.

It seems that the liability could be enormous, and a bigger threat to the track's future than just remaining closed under federal or state guidelines.

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The liability could extend to anyone with whom he has a business relationship in operating the track. Sponsors. Sanctioning bodies. Insurance companies.

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Do what you want to do. Liberty. The government is not smart enough to know how to protect people from themselves. Since the survival rate is around 98%, just catching the disease is not terminal. Don't be foolish (hard for some people), but don't live in fear because your sensibilities are being bombarded constantly with a single message.

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First, I haven't heard one story how anyone, famous or otherwise, specifically contracted the disease.
Sure, someone, let's say from Cleveland, might attend an event at Norwalk, and then test positive, of course, not knowing if they got it at the track. That person might then hire a lawyer and try to pin it on Mr. Bader and co. He would have to deal with that aspect. I'm sure he thought this all through.

Another option would be to keep the track closed and then lose his livelihood and that of others involved.

Perhaps you ought to define "good judgement and common sense" .

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I live in Washington and things are a little difficult until May 4th, at least. In some areas things might be able to happen using common sense. If social distancing is encouraged and everyone stays safe small events could possibly happen. It definitely depends on the area and what the guidelines are for that area. Stay safe and healthy my friends.

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Google "Biogen Boston" and look in the news section for stories about how a single conference helped spread COVID-19 into Massachusetts and beyond. Hint: In early to mid-March, 92 people in Massachusetts had COVID-19. 70 of them were either Biogen employees or related to them.

Or, you could see a spike of cases in the Cleveland area, with the common demoninator being that people developing the new cases all went to the track seven to 21 days before.

As for being thought through, do you really think an insurance company would say "Good plan. Go for it?"


OK ... It is balancing possible short-term gain against possible long-term losses.

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Man, I feel for him. But to make it worthwhile, he needs attendance, lots of it, buying food, drinks etc....can't see it. I've been there 3 times and I told Bader to his face that I hate him...he and his track have ruined me for almost every other track or experience. I want to go one more time, in fact just cancelled rooms in Norwalk.

I want to race very bad....but my plan is to seek out venues, with space to pit all alone, in the boonies, and limit any people contact, and stay in trailer (no motels), carry food & water, no concessions (ain't figured out bathrooms yet)….most points races have little or no fans anyway, although desire to see "something" may bring them out....I THINK I can be careful in most points race environments.....can't see how Norwalk can do it, But I wish them well

DeWine vs Bader, pass the popcorn

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Alright, but we're going backwards in time now.. There are now hundreds of cases in Cleveland..1000's in Boston area.
If and when Norwalk re-opens, new cases will have gone down. Still, it would be difficult to pinpoint the exact time and place of contact. That's not to say some lawyer wouldn't try it.
Mr Bader's insurance companies and lawyers would have to make the call.
We could do "what ifs" and "supposin's" until next year .
By that time , Trump's economy would be in shambles. I'd hate to see that.
That's probably the difference between you and I.

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Hi Dwight,
I think you 98% might be a little high. But the real question is what is the mortality rate in the older age group which many here fall into?

Stan

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Perhaps you will understand this and perhaps you won't. In this context greed is anybody willing to risk the life of another human being for the sake of a GD dollar. Do you understand that?

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I agree Dwight I dont trust the goverment one bit

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This is just more of Bader grandstanding. There will be dozens of police cars at the Norwalk track if he attempts to open the gates. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he would get himself arrested just for the press. But you can bet your Stimulus check/direct deposit that the track will remain closed as long as the Governor wants it closed. All the rest of his stuff is hooey.

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Sounds pretty cut and dried.
However , real life never quite adds up that way.
An owner /operator could push his rig right up against fed. hourly regs , in order to feed his family. He could still fall asleep and kill somebody. Was he being greedy?
The question is meant to be rhetorical. BN's opinion would , most likely be 180 deg. out of phase with MY's.

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I've been dealing with a company in India for almost a year now, talking with the employees extensively about what's going on there, and yes they shut the country down until May 3rd, so explain to me how a country with 3 times the population as the US and has millions and millions of impoverished citizens packed together on the streets with NO protection, NO testing and NO social distancing for the homeless and poor, but only have 10,000 cases and about 400 deaths. There would be thousands and thousands of dead bodies laying all over the streets, which is not the case. They are even opening up some the rural areas of the country as we speak. This is BS, our country better wake up and open up!!




Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

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Numidia is not a hot spot but many of their regular racers are from NY and NJ. My town Elysburg, which borders Numidia, has Knoebles which is a huge amusement park with miles of campgrounds and a huge amount of their patrons are from the Philly and NYC area, so we could become a hot spot if they open. There's no easy answer to this mess.

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Scale seems to be a problem for you. Comparing a single truck driver to a cat who wants to pack in tens of thousands of people is a bit of a stretch. No, it's a hell of a stretch.

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"Pack in tens of thousands" Sounds a bit extreme.

However , not my question..Therefore not an answer.

"Perhaps you will understand this and perhaps you won't. In this context greed is anybody willing to risk the life of another human being for the sake of a GD dollar. Do you understand that?"

Direct quote from BN..hence my question.

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thousands of people for opening....test n tune ..A points meet...give me a G.D brake !

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Actually agree with some of this.
But maybe it's actually "pushing the envelope" ,in a political sense.
Seems reasonable that they could run a Summit series race, within a month's time.
Huge seating capacity for very few, adequate precautions. Entirely possible to do, in my experience.
It may come down to a push and shove match, but I hope not.

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10 people max. All the rest is fluff. Bader could care less about a Summit Race or a test'n tune. He wants the bucks that only a mega event can bring in and he ain't getting it until the Governor says he can. And as a side note most governors are now saying that there will be no large sporting events until fall of 2021.

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If a track opens I feel as though I'm capable of making a good decision as to weather I can attend an open air event safely or not. Heck, I could even wear a mask and gloves. If I had health issues, I'd stay home. I'm comfortable with making decisions for myself.

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something to think on:

South Korea has probably the most comprehensive testing yet. As of today, 160 some odd people have re-acquired the virus. Some say it may have gone dormant, hence the "flattening" of the curve. Or a rush to "normalize"?True or not, shouldn't we err on the side of caution?