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You guys awful quiet how about some fun ... knowing NHRA won’t listen anyway ... I’ll start
1. Rear axle housing width must be same as original equipped

Ok it’s your turn ������

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Excessive braking, if tires smoke or car swerves from straight line your out. And everybody gets to race another day with an undamaged car.

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No chillers outside the competitors pit space.

No pushing cars past the ready line.

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Complete Tear down for all 1.2 under runs. Real random tear down.

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The problem is a competitor may be sponsored with a pit spot at the top of staging, while you are in the back 40 at Denver/Topeka/Dallas/Atlanta/Belle Rose/Tulsa etc...

No Chillers in Staging would be a leveling of the field compromise. IMHO

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Gump just out of curiosity why no chillers in the lanes?
They don't make a mess and I have never seen them slow down a race. 99% of racers have them off there cars 6-10 pair before they run. If anything they have helped speed up the deal because starting line crews are spending less time picking up ice and water off the starting line after class or heads up runs now.

As far as pushing cars, if someone has a crew willing to push them to the water box and the other car is not waiting on them then who cares.

now automatic tear downs for -1.20 runs I can get behind that. And to take it a step further any runs of -1.00 or faster should warrant an automatic carb or throttle body check. Just to keep a few LT1/L98 SS racers honest.

I 100% agree with Larry Hill you smoke the tires your out, end of story.

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LT1 and L98 racers honest .......doesn't your car have a throttle body too?

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Don’t forget the “Scale Cam” to make sure no spare tires or other removable weight bars fall out of a car after a fast run!

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Why? Is there something to be gained by changing the housing width?

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how about they just enforce the rules n not change them to pander to the few and vocal that want everything according to their way of thinking !!

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Yes..for big tires ...in Super/Stock.

Stockers are supposed to look, well, you know.... STOCK!

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LOL What?

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This is at the top of my list by far. I was closer than I liked to being a victim of this.

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I'm honestly slow. :)

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Super Stock is allowed to do just about they want in the backhalf.

But Stock, narrowing the rear, what does it gain? Still have to run a 9" tire, pulling them in an inch, what purpose does it serve?

Not asking for a friend, asking to learn. I have worked on Stockers and been around them quite a bit, not seeing what performance advantage a narrower rear is going to serve.

Now start looking at other areas where lots of people are "cheating", that is a whole 'nother story!

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To what other areas are you referring? and if you "KNOW" others are cheating why are you not protesting them and helping police the sport?

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Housing width ...
let’s see makes a vehicle that cannot accept a 9” tire a workable combination
Allows car to be lowered in cases
Allows less rotating mass as axles are shorter

And the big one > it’s a f$&@king rule dip****s you don’t get to pick which ones to follow

Jesus ... really hoping they get handle on the BS :(

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Joey my throttle body is so big on my CJ i don’t think if it were bigger it would help. Now putting one of those (big) custom made California throttle bodys that look like a factory GM one is worth about .10-.12 on a ss or so I’m told.
Captain your right let get back to company correct rear ends. While we’re righting wrongs let’s take away all those three speed to those guys that never had three speed factory equipped cars.

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Okay, Mr. "cm". You asked and I'll tell you.
BTW, this rule has been quite clear for 40 years now.

Some guy comes along and decided he doesn't like, for whatever reason. He puts a narrowed housing in his car, which can be seen from 50 feet away..
Tech ( or lack thereof) doesn't notice it, or doesn't want to crawl around underneath with a tape measure. He doesn't have the exact factory width spec readily available to him, to be able to disqualify anybody.

Next guy sees the obvious and decides he'll do it too. A half a dozen follow suit.

A guy like Capt. Jack comes along and points it out.

The half dozen offenders jump up and down and say, C'mon, what difference does it make ? NHRA says we don't care ,if you guys don't.

Next thing you know, you're another step closer to Super Stock.

Maybe you weren't around then , Mr. "cm". Stock was forced into Super Stock once already. Some of us don't want to see it happen again. Don't make it any easier for them.

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Charles ... first we are talking about enforcing current rules not 2/3 speed current rule
Second if you are referring to me a 60 (57-61) Chevy came equipped with a turbo glide which is a 3 speed (two planetary and direct drive) so my car is correctly equipped and yes I’d like to return other guys to two speeds but that’s irrelevant on this thread. I know your young but you can google turbo glide or ask your daddy :)

Thanks for playing :)

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Yes. Why?

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Because it's written that way in the rulebook.

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As I stated in an earlier post I see photos of cars that sit low on a 9x30 race tire that back in the day you couldn't never fit a L60-15 under.

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That has more to do with moving the shock than narrowing the rear! I don't much care if the rear is narrowed a bit but moving the shocks and/or springs and wheel tubs, I've got a problem with.

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All of them, if they are rules, then enforce them !!!!!!

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I didn't realize there are cars that actually can not fit a 9" tire in the wheel well without narrowing the rear. I guess they have lower control arms or shocks so close to the housing ends that an offset wheel won't help them get that 9" tire under there.

Just trying to understand how a rear being 2" narrower than factory has any sort of advantage.

Obviously modifying the wheel tub area should be a HUGE no-no! I know how guys mini tub a first gen Camaro/Firebird and it all looks "stock" but is far from it! I see this done on Bracket Cars, not NHRA Stockers.

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Ever since automobile racing began racers have tried to "streeeeeetch" the rules. Some have used the excuse that since it "wasn't forbidden" in the rules then it must be legal, only to have the ruling body then institute a rule that "X" was no longer going to be allowed so it is illegal.
Many if not most drag racers have at one time or another "fudged" on the rules . Some have been caught while others have escaped unharmed never to be caught or maybe caught at a later date. Some have been more blatant in their actions than others and some have been very successful in avoiding getting caught.
The way I see it is if the rule specifically allows or does not allow a modification or variation of the current rule then it is either legal or illegal, acceptable or unacceptable . Just because you or another racer avoided being "caught" with it no matter how much time has passed doesn't make it OK.
Some people's moral compass deosnt let "cheating" bother them in the slightest while others would never consider doing something and always "go by the book".The fact that NHRA Tech doesn't look at every possible violation or questionable modification doesn't mean that its OK to continue on doing it. The rule book in the past said that if something is not specifically prohibited that does not mean that it is OK to do. Its a matter of interpretation and NHRA has the final say so on what is or is not legal, acceptable etc.
I think that there is blatant cheating by a very small group of racers maybe hopefully just a few at this point that just have not been found out about, most racers are basically honest and forthright in their racing activities and equipment and then a very few at the other end of the scale that would never consider anything the really squeaky clean racers.
At the end of the day you have to ask yourself if what you did was legal or illegal and if it doesn't bother you that it was illegal then you have to live with yourself and feel really proud that what you accomplished by cheating another racer to win was OK. Some people it never bothers as they have no conscience and just go on their merry way in life.
Not sure how Tech is going to police the situation in the future but for now the racing community has to do its part to call out the perpetrators and let them know that this is not going to be allowed fix it or you will be reported/protested etc. Maybe some fines or a vacation from racing will get the point across to those that just "don't get it or don't want to play by the rules"

My 2 cents FED 387

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I used to have guys tell me "Well, the rule book does not say we can't do that!"
I may need to look at a new one, but for years, right in the front, it stated that the rules were presented in a positive manor, meaning unless it states that you can do something, it is not allowed.

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Gump
I believe the rule states no pushing or cooling of cars past the head of staging lanes. I was told by NHRA head of staging lanes is the start line just before the burn out box. I know this because NHRA and myself got in a Disagreement about this three or four years ago in brainerd and they told me I was right afterwards.
This is same line your dial in must be on before you enter the burnout box, I believe the one at Indy is about 20 feet behind the burn out box (like most tracks) I have never seen anyone running a cooling box past that line.

Captain I have no problem with you running a turbo glide that’s what the car came with. But a turbo glide is about as close to a 200 metric or 350 turbo as a 9inch ford rear end is to a 12 gm bolt rear end.

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Mr. cm, when I started racing over 40 years ago NO 66 Chevy nova could fit a 9 inch tire under the car...NOW, they all can...I know for a fact that the 9 inch tire didn’t get narrower ,.....

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Charlie Bob, this actually came up at Topeka divisional last year as competitors were forced to chill in their pits. I fought with the tech dept on this until they pulled out a rulebook and read it to me personally and I was incorrect. The rule reads as follows:

General Regulations, Section 21, Page 5
Fuel/Air: Any method of artificially cooling or heating fuel
prohibited (i.e., cool cans, Freon, wet rags, etc.), except as
noted in Class Requirements. Cool cans, wet towels, etc. are
permitted in Super Stock, Stock, Super Comp, Super Gas,
Super Street, and E.T. classes. Wet towels, rags, ice, etc. must
be removed before vehicle leaves staging area. Coolers, chillers,
etc., where permitted by class requirements, are prohibited
outside of the competitor’s pit. Ambient-temperature air only;
cooling or otherwise changing the conditions of the intake air is
prohibited. Spraying of intake with any artificial spray or coolant
prohibited.

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I for one dont care which way the rule should be written, but I have 2 questions.
1 With the current way rule is written can you leave ice in the cool fuel container when going down track?
2 I asked this question before but having bags of ice on the hood constitute cooling the air around carb?

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How do people keep doing certain stuff and not get caught/busted ?

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Hey Charlie-Bob, just for clarity's sake, how close is a T-5 to a G-Force or a Jericho?

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BRING INTEGRITY BACK TO STOCK RACING.ALL WINNERS UNDERGO / PASS TECHNICAL INSPECTION!

Vehicles aren't being teched at all anymore for legality unless you set a record or go 1.20 under (and then only maybe) ...the easiest way to enforce what rules we have is to enforce it at the end of the race and set up a system of applying points and winnings if a competitor is found bogus. You want a check and a Wally...prove you are legal.

Easily done....one car per class to tear down after racing is done....

Only two things keep racers in line from cheating ...integrity/paranoia.

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The problem (s) I see with tear down after racing is that racers and tech maybe want to get home to real jobs and families. Long weekend for both. Too often I driven 6-9 hours half asleep to make work Monday morning.

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In the Farmer days every class winner tore down.

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How about bringing STOCK back to Stock Eliminator???

I know I don't race myself anymore, and I am NOT trying to throw anyone under the bus.

I love Stock and Super Stock, but I see lots of things that do NOT reflect the intent of Stock.

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We should Outlaw Dry Ice,cool cans, thin oil,chevy2 oil pans. Any run under 1.00 your beer drinking buddy has to take your throttle body or carb off and let everyone with the same combo look at it. If you go 1.20 under you have to take your car all the way apart motor,trans,rearend lay it all out on card board in your pit area for everyone to look at and take pictures because you have to be cheating because you are not smart enough to go that fast.

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Mr Belanger could you please tell me how one using a NHRA Accepted Stock Replacement Oil Pan # Milodon 31060 on a 67 Chevy ll is cheating or gaining a performance advantage?
Kenney Kelley