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Larry Hill 08-16-2019 01:45 PM

AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Will the AHFS be in affect at Indy this year? Please let us know SRAC reps.

Thanks

Todd Hoven 08-16-2019 03:18 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Great question

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 594712)
Will the AHFS be in affect at Indy this year? Please let us know SRAC reps.

Thanks


TinSoldier 3215 08-16-2019 03:37 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Mr Hill. NO turn it loose. That's the word from Jeff Conley thur our Div-3 director Will.

Chris Hill 08-16-2019 03:56 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TinSoldier 3215 (Post 594730)
Mr Hill. NO turn it loose. That's the word from Jeff Conley thur our Div-3 director Will.

Turn it loose?!?

Hell, I just want to see Dad turn on the car, LOL. Challenger hasn't ran for almost 3 years at this point.

Bobby DiDomenico 08-17-2019 01:10 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hill (Post 594731)
Turn it loose?!?

Hell, I just want to see Dad turn on the car, LOL. Challenger hasn't ran for almost 3 years at this point.

Chris,
He's just waiting for the warranty to run out? ;-)

jamie2370 08-17-2019 09:04 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
I hope they don't have it. Then I hope they tear down any combo that is considerably faster than the next closest. Combos that are .4 to .5 faster than all other cars with the same combo should be checked. That includes engine and trans/converter. I have a feeling that lockup converters are/have made their way into stock. Sorry if I start drama again, lol

Jack McCarthy 08-17-2019 10:12 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
They’re gonna tell us after rd one of class 😒😒

MikeMoller 08-21-2019 11:00 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Never did see an announcement from NHRA last year, and there plenty of folks faster than 1.20 and none got HP after the event. Wish they would make a formal announcement like they did couple years ago.

Larry Hill 08-22-2019 06:00 AM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
"The AHFS is used to review and evaluate runs in Stock and Super Stock for possible horsepower adjustments. The review is conducted twice per racing season. The two reviews are compiled individually so the data is not cumulative. Runs included in the AHFS database are limited to final qualifying runs (Q data) and all elimination runs (E data) at all NHRA National, Sports National and LODRS events. (At events where class eliminations are run, all class elimination runs are included in the AHFS database. Only the first round of class is part of qualifying and therefore is part of the "Q" database.)The "Q" data and "E" data files are the official data gathered by the NHRA timing system and processed through the NHRA Information Technology department. NHRA "Q" data and "E" data are the only data files used for the AHFS. No runs made during National Opens, test and tune, time trials,1/8 mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review. "

I would feel better if NHRA would publish the exception to the rules of AHFS for next week's U.S. Nationals.

Jeff Stout 08-22-2019 12:50 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 595108)
"The AHFS is used to review and evaluate runs in Stock and Super Stock for possible horsepower adjustments. The review is conducted twice per racing season. The two reviews are compiled individually so the data is not cumulative. Runs included in the AHFS database are limited to final qualifying runs (Q data) and all elimination runs (E data) at all NHRA National, Sports National and LODRS events. (At events where class eliminations are run, all class elimination runs are included in the AHFS database. Only the first round of class is part of qualifying and therefore is part of the "Q" database.)The "Q" data and "E" data files are the official data gathered by the NHRA timing system and processed through the NHRA Information Technology department. NHRA "Q" data and "E" data are the only data files used for the AHFS. No runs made during National Opens, test and tune, time trials,1/8 mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review. "

I would feel better if NHRA would publish the exception to the rules of AHFS for next week's U.S. Nationals.

Took me 3 times reading it to understand it. Dang

Billy Nees 08-22-2019 05:33 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Why doesn't NHRA get Dwayne Johnson and Jason Statham to flip a coin on the line just before the first qualifying shot! Heads, AHFS in affect, tails, no AHFS.

Larry Hill 08-22-2019 08:50 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Heard officially today that there is NO ahfs for Indy!

Floyd Staggs 08-22-2019 09:32 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 595210)
Heard officially today that there is NO ahfs for Indy!

That means you can take the pick up and turn it loose. LOL

jmantle 08-23-2019 02:21 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamie2370 (Post 594804)
I hope they don't have it. Then I hope they tear down any combo that is considerably faster than the next closest. Combos that are .4 to .5 faster than all other cars with the same combo should be checked. That includes engine and trans/converter. I have a feeling that lockup converters are/have made their way into stock. Sorry if I start drama again, lol

Lockup converters are legal in stock if they were OEM equipment which would include many 78 and later vehicles.
"Lockup converter permitted if OEM-equipped with lockup converter and OEM transmission is used"

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

X-TECH MAN 08-23-2019 03:12 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmantle (Post 595263)
Lockup converters are legal in stock if they were OEM equipment which would include many 78 and later vehicles.
"Lockup converter permitted if OEM-equipped with lockup converter and OEM transmission is used"

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

Most late model stockers are NOT using the OEM trans from that era !

Mark Yacavone 08-23-2019 07:48 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by x-tech man (Post 595265)
most late model stockers are not using the oem trans from that era !

t 200-c, thm 350 c

Jack McCarthy 08-25-2019 02:02 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
hmmm.... lockup legal eh

farmco r/sa 08-25-2019 02:11 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Super stock entries at 158 sunday 8/25/2019....

Jeff Stout 08-25-2019 04:21 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy (Post 595388)
hmmm.... lockup legal eh

I wad thinking the same thing on my Olds wagon

jamie2370 08-25-2019 04:27 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 595398)
I wad thinking the same thing on my Olds wagon

I don't think he is thinking of the same "lockup" converter I'm talking about lol. Similar idea but the high dollar ones the grudge, Radial vs the World guys use. Last I heard... NOT legal in stock lol. But a 1 to1 ratio between engine and trans with no slip would be FAST.

Jeff Stout 08-25-2019 07:33 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamie2370 (Post 595400)
I don't think he is thinking of the same "lockup" converter I'm talking about lol. Similar idea but the high dollar ones the grudge, Radial vs the World guys use. Last I heard... NOT legal in stock lol. But a 1 to1 ratio between engine and trans with no slip would be FAST.

Waiting to see if someone is running dump valve in trans to control converter slip like the grudge, radial cars run

Mark Yacavone 08-25-2019 08:58 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
The old Griner/ Coan centrifugal lock up has been outlawed for 40 years. Not sure how you'd cut a light with one for breakout racing.
A mid class Stocker just does not have the oats to pull the extra weight of a lock up clutch disc..At best, a trade off...ET for MPH , IMHO.

Jim Hawkins 08-25-2019 10:52 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamie2370 (Post 595400)
I don't think he is thinking of the same "lockup" converter I'm talking about lol. Similar idea but the high dollar ones the grudge, Radial vs the World guys use. Last I heard... NOT legal in stock lol. But a 1 to1 ratio between engine and trans with no slip would be FAST.

Want 1 to 1 in high gear put a stick and a clutch in it!

jamie2370 08-26-2019 07:13 PM

Re: AHFS At Indy, Yes Or No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 595413)
Waiting to see if someone is running dump valve in trans to control converter slip like the grudge, radial cars run



Jeff Stout, exactly what I was referring to. You can set it up to come on whenever. And the ones that could use it are high rpm, 700+hp stockers


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