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There are quite a few Super Stock/stock racers that would like to enter Indy but with the 160 quota they have been left out. With super comp and super gas both at less that half entered with just over 2 weeks until the race date it appears that there will be quite a few empty spots. In the past the quota has been increased just before the race to accommodate super stock/stock. SO, if as a group from this forum would stick together and call/msg/e mail Glendora as well as your division directors and request a quota increase it might just go a long way in keeping a place for super stock/stock racers and their cars a place to race at Indy. Thanks, Frito

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The only issue that I see with that is that racers who made the effort to get grade points can then get knocked out by someone with a fast car that didn't.

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Regardless of your grade points these classes are still performance based. Not all racers have the time or the money to attend numerous divisionals even though they would like to.

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"The only issue that I see with that is that racers who made the effort to get grade points can then get knocked out by someone with a fast car that didn't."

EXACTLY!

We have all known it was 160 since the season started... you wanna run The Go... then load your stuff up 4-5 times the other 51 weeks out of the year and Go to the track.

There are racers who took the time, energy, and $ to run enough points races to be able to enter. Many thought long and hard before parting with their $380 to enter The Go knowing they would be competing with 160 (plus past World Champions) for 128 spots. To raise the quota at this point does nothing but reward those who stayed home.

I honestly cant believe the number of folks who think the rules should be altered for them (and the... cause they did it in the past reasoning is BS)... ya sound like a bunch of high school kids who didn't show up for practice all week but think they deserve to play Friday night cause they can run fast or jump high.

Troy Galbraith
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In 2018 there was 120 in SC and 116 in SG. Based on car counts at other nationals and divisionals this year there is no reason to think 2019 will be much different. The x.90 racers know there is still plenty of time to enter and likely keeping their entry money until the race gets a little bit closer.

SC & SG for Gateway both filled at 7 gp's or right after 6 opened last week so there is demand for those classes.

No one on this board has mentioned the Comp (a class most of us agree is great) entry count for Indy is currently at 7! You're crazy if you think there will only be 7 Comp cars in the lanes when the first qualifier rolls around.

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I think the quota should stay where it is. The classes that aren't full yet will fill, I believe. Some wait until their personal plans are known before they enter. This could be due to work schedule or whatever other reasons they might have..

Some racers might have this race on their bucket list, so everything has to fall in place to be able to do it.

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What was wrong with the 180 number they had for several years?
You sound like you might be offended that racers with 1-2 gp's might get in . ;-)

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Answer? Nothing.
Only three potential reasons why they lowered Stock and Superstock.
1) they are just bad at forecasting or didn’t care
2) they secretly enticed dozens of SG and SC racers to come this year
3) they wanted a lower car count than plan so they could justify future enhancements

Indy is just one of those races that you throw everything at it. It is either enough...or it is not...

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Room to park when wet?

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Top Dragster is already 7 over the limit,and could go higher. Their rigs take up a lot of room. Leave Stock /SS at 160. NHRA is forcing you to get more Grading Points so they can pay the Division directors,tech people, on down. It is not going to get any better. So start your plans today to get your grading points for next year when they lower the quotas at National events even more.

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There are 6 sportsman categories with quotas, here's the breakdown of entries between this year and last, up to this point.

Class 2018 2019
SS 172 162
Stock 171 163
SC 120 73
SG 116 78
TS 0 36
TD 0 43

Total 579 555

So there's only 24 fewer cars than 2018 entered right now, with a ton of spots left in SG/SC. If Stock and SS are anything to go by, lots of people are waiting until they have to to enter in those classes.

I would expect more cars in total this year than last by the time Indy gets here. Obviously this doesn't include Comp/FSS since those don't have quotas and people generally wait until the very last minute since they can, but it seems like car counts are up in general this year in both of those compared to last as well.

It's a bummer for the people who didn't get entered, but I'd be surprised if there were any spots added in Stock/SS.

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BS Mr. you cant presume to know everyone's situation. Oh, by the way, from your other "quote", I guess I missed the schedule with 51 divisional races.

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Nobody said 51 LODRS races. There’s 44 this year, throw in the National opens and Sportsnationals and you’ve got over 70 opportunities to earn grade points.

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Unfortunately I don't think Glendora will increase the S/SS quotas, but what did happen to 180?? Another question, how/why is T/D at 7 over quota?

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The reason for the cut in quota was to make room in the schedule for Top Dragster and Top Sportsman. Those classes were added to Indy this year. I presume it's over quota just like how Stock and SS, past champions and Gold cards etc.

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Troy, I personally think that this whole quota thing is a bunch of BS !

Decreasing the numbers is screwing the average racer! To have grade 5 and 6's not get into a event !

Take my case ..... grade 5 and couldn't get into Joliet nor St Louis ... that's 2 national events less than 150 miles from my drive and cant go !

At this rate, why even try !

Just go to Fall Classic, get 1 grade point ..... then enter the US Nationals !!!

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No thanks.....Its NOT worth it !

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We are the problem because we, the Sportsman Racers, don't stand as a unit. nhra's quota arrangement is just another reminder of their contempt for us. They dropped all the quotas because they wanted to pirate two more categories from IHRA and still have a tight tv schedule. And now, more than ever, nhra has become a traveling circus and we are their clowns. They have zero respect for us and we do nothing to stop it. In these days of technology we have opportunities to at least expose nhra's behavior. Many years ago, nhra was pilfered from its membership and now it is run by men and women who want to gorge themselves with the money we help provide to them. There are ways to get nhra's attention and that is by the Sportsman Racers getting together and demanding better treatment. We've all heard the tired old statement that it is their ballgame, but it is not their ballgame. It belongs to the racers and it's high time that you guys figured it out. Oh, has any seen or heard anything from our SRAC members recently? Wonder why? Just think about joining together in an effort to make things better for our sport.

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It's hysterical to watch this "stuff" about the Indy Quota's.
It's the same crying every year.

The only person you can have an issue with is the guy in the mirror.
EVERYBODY knows it takes A LOT of grade points to get in, NO SURPRISE.
You either play by the rules and go to 7 or 8 divisionals or opens or don't and then you get to watch.

You can't argue about it. Some guys are dedicated to the sport and attend what they have to to get in. Others would rather come on here and "bitch" instead of going to the track.

Like I said, argue with the guy in the mirror and tell him that "If you want to race at Indy you better go to 7 or 8 events".

It's THAT EASY.
And don't start the BS about my job this or the distance that or the kids with the other thing. You are either dedicated to racing and making Indy or NOT.

OH, and just in case, here's a NEWS FLASH for you.
NEXT years Indy race will take 7 or 8 grade points to get in......AGAIN

And the reason I'm writing this is because I to would have liked to go to Indy for TD BUT I didn't have enough GP's due to my own issues.
However I don't have an issue with the process and know what I have to do to get there. There's NO MAGIC. Fair is Fair.

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Well Bruce, this is one subject that you and I can agree on 100%!

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NHRA is leaving a large amount of money/opportunities on the table.
Bring all the cars in. Heck with the point system.

Track landscapes are overwhelmed with so many cars and the big rigs.
So you need to cycle the racing classes so everyone can play.

Some S/SS could have way more than 128 cars each attending.
Think NHRA needs to split up the weeks.
Instead of 4 days, spread over two weeks and two weekends.
Concentrate the racing activity. Race everyday.
Opportunity to run two or more Point Races.

Have a All Sportsman race without the pros.
Every running for Class and Bragging Rights.
Advertise with smart marketing to bring in the public.
It is one huge car show too! Have one !
Time to schedule tear downs.

Proper Logistics would allow more vendors and sell more stuff.
Bring in some entertainment and some of those cool Rolling restaurants.
There are a lot of local musicians and acts.
Bring in a big movie screen or a local Play.
Have stuff kids can do and have fun.
All this will bring more locals who are looking for a fun venue.

Save the final 8 cars of each class for the Pro Weekend.
Most racers will go home after eliminations.
Some will stay..find off site parking so they can stay if they want.
Would help with the crowding and packing of cars/rigs.

Having two weeks/weekends would be more time/cost efficient.
For those within couple hours drive.
It is opportunity to go back home to attend to work or what ever needed.

If there was decent WiFi internet access.
Speaking for myself I could get work done on the computer.

The more people who come.
Longer they stay will spend more money.
Everyone having a good time will be remembered!

Which is what FEEDS the following years.

D

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Mr Yacavone... I wouldn't be offended at all so long as they got in under the quota established/published 8 months ago. They could make the quota 250 for 2020 for all I care. We would likely not enter knowing we couldn't make the 128 but that would be our problem to solve (heck we are probably a nickle or dime short of making it against the 160 entered this year but gonna give it a Go).

SSHemi364... I certainly don't know everyone's situation. Sorry if you took my comments as such.

Rick... that sucks for sure. With the reduction in quotas maybe an adjustment of some kind for our "in Division" National Events should be looked at. I don't know.

See ya at the races!

Troy Galbraith
3506

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NHRA is missing out on $14,000 by not opening up the Stock and SS quota's.

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Plus thousands of dollars products/services the vendors would be selling.

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But how much does their bottom line increase yearly with the added divisional/ grade point races that racers must attend to make the "Big Show"?

Have to look at the big picture here. Lowered quotas only means increased car counts at divisionals and opens $$$$

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nhra has worked the numbers and they appear to know how to milk this little show for the most dollars. nhra has mostly eliminated any supervision of Stock and Super Stock which allows the top executives to keep their huge salaries. This is a very nearsighted approach to running the show and will most likely bite them in the end.

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Not sure if anyone mentioned this or not but, this year at indy is the first year for Top Dragster and Top Sportsman and they filled up in seconds once it opened and it’s over 40+ in each class, so that extra 20 taken away is that.

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They are also allowing top ten in points because T/D only have the Sportsnats and one other National to claim points at.

Greg

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Absolutely, but SG and SC only have half the quota met and we are only 2 weeks out from being in line at Indy. that means there are 160 pit spots open for Those that desperately want to go.

If NHRA opened up 20 more sports in both Stock and SS the would be full in a day.

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Very true but, unlike Stock & SS, the .90 classes wont make the full quota for the most part and like someone also said we wait till the last minute. The Stock / SS Guy you guys have to be quick draw McGraw when your grade point comes up to enter. I can think of about 25-30 super Gas guys that are going but, just waiting to hand over there money. I entered last night at grade 3. Who knows they may open it up but, with all the set schedule stuff they have now, not sure if they want more cars. Guess time will tell

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Problem is that it’s full. Means there are 160 racers that want more of the same treatment! And many in here on the outside that want in. So the folks in charge are not going to change anything.

In case you didn’t notice they really don’t give a damn about the little people racers

Bruce has these great and powerful words on getting together and demanding better treatment. So what is next? What’s the plan?

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Well of course it's always a good idea to use your real name when asking about what we should do next. We could start by signing an online petition. Are you down for that? Give up your name and be the first to sign a document demanding more input on our sport. What do you say Mr. 4406 mopar?

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Bruce, 4406 is Jim Hale #

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[QUOTE=4406mopar;594304]
In case you didn’t notice they really don’t give a damn about the little people racers

Uh......No kidding !!!!!!!

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The race that makes no sense is the 60 quota for Vegas x2 .... largest track anywhere could park 1000 more rigs > they don’t want more $$$$ WTF ??? Obvious no business minded people in charge 😡

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Thanks Tom, I'm glad Jim decided to join in the discussion. But he raised a very important question. What can we do? Probably a lot more than most racers think. Pretty soon the National events will be filled by retirees and World Champs.
I don't think most racers will find that very appealing.

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Stop going

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...to the divisionals scam

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I did about 12 years ago. I found out bracket racing is more fun and way cheaper and the Stock, Super Stock circuit races are way more fun ! Plus I don't need to spend thousand's of dollars attending and traveling to so called "POINTS" races to enter.

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...Been talkin' the talk and walkin' the walk since 2005