Undercover ported stock heads?
 

If NHRA can not police "undercover" ported heads in stock eliminator, why not just allow them? Its a shame that if you run a combo, especially higher classed combo's, you will not be competitive unless you cheat! Half the guys out there will flat out tell you that their heads have been played with. I understand the arguement that "stock means stock, we dont want to evolve into superstock", but the fact of the matter is that the heads out there are not stock. As a guy who prefers not to cheat, i'd like to see the rule changed. Does anyone else agree or disagree?

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Actually i think it's better the way it is..everyone knows whats the common standard nowdays,if you open up the rule for porting i think we all be sorry,i suspect cost on the heads will go up that way and the spread between racers would be even bigger..some guys just have more money to play with!

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The solution to the use of illegal parts is NOT to make them legal.

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Well what would the solution be then? Talk about how tech needs to be able to enforce heads as we have for years, meanwhile the problem still exists. Its better how it is now? If everyone knows that its the common standard, why not just allow it? You wont have to port your heads to run under the index, you will just have to do so to be the fastest in your class. The undercover heads right now are plenty expensive, i dont believe this is a cost issue.

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I think thats exactly how things are now!! Tech decides what goes,not the rulebook..it has showed time after time..

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Allowing ported heads will only increase the cost, both of the heads and of the short blocks that go under the ported heads, since porting the heads will only increase the RPM the engines operate at.

What illegal part will you want to make legal next? And after that? And where will you draw the line?

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I am old enough to remember back when a Tech official could & would toss you if he just didn't think it looked right. They had leadership that wasn't concerned with lawsuits & threats from engine builders or racers. At that time NHRA tech was run with an iron hand and from my vanatage point, for the good of the sport. Maybe they need to take a good look at the way Nascar does things. Nascar has Invested in people & technology to strengthen their form of racing. I think It is way past time to quit counting beans & invest a few of them in more than the bank. Remember, a tree grows strong with a good root system. At this point I don't see much conceren for the root system in drag racing, only picking the fruit.

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That's well spoken!

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If they would just pour the runners in stock and use the super stock volumes a lot of the problem would disappear.

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I was under the impression that you really knew all about this ...

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There is no doubt that allowing ported heads in stock will increase the cost to build the heads and engine.In super stock a good set of heads and intake cost around 8 to 10 grand. The issue with the CC size of the ports. If you use the SS volumes they are quite a bit larger than an actual stock port. The heads that I run have a intake runner volumn of 165 cc. The largest stock head that I have poured personally is about 157 CC. So you can see that if you use the SS head volumns the heads will be much larger than a stock head. Ported heads would not be a good idea for stock in my opinion.The move should be toward a more stock head. Even a rookie tech man should be able to detect heads that have been acid etched and shot blasted.

Mike

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Enforcing the current rules is alot easier than people think. 98% of the bogus heads can be found using just the qualifying sheet. Any stocker that runs more than one second under has had some bogused up stuff done to the heads. Surely there will be racers attacking my comment but you can only lie to yourselves!!!!!! Louis Jeffery 3225 stock

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There's nothing bogus in my cylinder head...

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That's why I said 98%. I'm sure there are some combos that go one second under and have never even taken the head off.

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Welcome to the club Rob! better slow that hot rod down! Jim

Louis, I'll take your tear down money any day!

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Mr. Wahl You fall into the 2%. Turbo, FWD, Truck or Purestock. Have a nice day! Louis

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If you get your heads from an enginebuilder that have alot of engines out there they seem to have a good feeling were that line is since very few get tossed for heads!

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NHRA already is pouring the runners in stock. They did everyone at Indy and have done it before also.

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i agree with greg hill use the ss spec, it is large enough for "comfort"

about 50% of runners poured have been found to be LARGER THANS SS SPEC...
of course there be a lot of heads out there used for $3000 doorstops if they do !!

jack mccarthy

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No kidding! I don't know where that run came from. It's NEVER gone that fast. Must've been the good air that morning. Oh well, won't be going that far under again. That run bumped me right out of C/FS...

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It could actually cost less to run the ported heads than might think.

Just say you want one of the sets of "bogus" or "special" heads for your motor. There are only a known amount "out there". I am sure the cost of locating and purchasing a set of those would far exceed the port job.

Now assume (I hate that word) you are still not allowed to port heads. There are only a set amount of the "good" heads out there and then there are only a few who have the best chance at the optimum performance. The person who does not have the "good" heads has less of a chance of winning and with no chance of even getting a set of the "good " heads and no chance of porting or competing with some other head, the question is why does he even bother racing.

This is just something to think about. I accuse no one.

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Interesting responses, I suppose 'Cyclone" hit the nail on the head, why even bother to compete without getting the "undercover" ported heads. I guess i should join the pack this winter with my new B/SA car. Thanks for all the responses.