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Greg Gay 12-04-2017 09:59 PM

Flame away at this idea
 
The original idea behind dial ins was so that two different performance level cars could race wide open. It didn’t take long for someone to figure out that all they had to do was beat the other car by the minimum margin, and they could win a lot of races. That is why I am proposing that NHRA run Stock and Super Stock 4 wide at the spring Charlotte race. With 4 cars, who do you sandbag? The second fastest car may be breaking out, too. The car that you are trying to “drive the stripe” against could be 3 lanes away from you. The race becomes more of a best package wins; dial your car close but honest, cut a light, and don’t let off.

This could be an exhibition, non-points race (so it doesn’t affect the national championship), but with full national event payout. 64 cars in each class only take 3 rounds to complete. Friday could be 2 time trials, Saturday would be 4 wide Class eliminations, and Sunday would be a round of 64 cars, a round of 16 cars, and a final with 4 cars. Imagine 4 Super Stock cars, all leaving the line at different times, wheels in the air, and converging on the finish line at virtually the same time. Seems like a good show to me.

Bob Don 12-05-2017 12:12 AM

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Could be fun. What do you do if two of the four cars are in the same class?

mikeloge 12-05-2017 12:25 AM

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I like it great idea something different

GUMP 12-05-2017 08:27 AM

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If you watched the gassers run at Charlotte this year you would know why this will be a mess. Watching those guys stage was hilarious. It would take hours to run Stock and SS.

Brett C 12-05-2017 09:17 AM

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I like it! I'm in.

jmcarter 12-05-2017 10:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Don (Post 551060)
Could be fun. What do you do if two of the four cars are in the same class?

Think it would be interesting and worthwhile. If cars in the same class are in the foursome it would have to be a dial in race for all of the four. Would be fantastic if you could run all four lanes of cars in the same class (no AHFS of course). I'd drive any distance to see A and B cars run like that, kind of a Top Stock on steroids.

MEXJOE 12-05-2017 11:05 AM

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How about we one up it!!
Remover ALL reaction times from all time slips / runs.
And do a dial in with a digital device / phone so no one knows what the other guys are dialing!!

Mark Yacavone 12-05-2017 12:07 PM

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Are we promoting a breakout race with four at a time?
Will the current computer configuration allow it?

Dave Crysler 12-05-2017 02:05 PM

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dartman 12-05-2017 04:41 PM

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it would be good for class elimination if you had alot of cars.4 at a time heads up would be fun racing.looking both ways trying to take the stripe in elimination with a wall between you could be a challenge.

Dave Crysler 12-05-2017 04:48 PM

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Eric Merryfield 12-05-2017 05:41 PM

Re: Flame away at this idea
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Gay (Post 551054)
The original idea behind dial ins was so that two different performance level cars could race wide open. It didn’t take long for someone to figure out that all they had to do was beat the other car by the minimum margin, and they could win a lot of races. That is why I am proposing that NHRA run Stock and Super Stock 4 wide at the spring Charlotte race. With 4 cars, who do you sandbag? The second fastest car may be breaking out, too. The car that you are trying to “drive the stripe” against could be 3 lanes away from you. The race becomes more of a best package wins; dial your car close but honest, cut a light, and don’t let off.

This could be an exhibition, non-points race (so it doesn’t affect the national championship), but with full national event payout. 64 cars in each class only take 3 rounds to complete. Friday could be 2 time trials, Saturday would be 4 wide Class eliminations, and Sunday would be a round of 64 cars, a round of 16 cars, and a final with 4 cars. Imagine 4 Super Stock cars, all leaving the line at different times, wheels in the air, and converging on the finish line at virtually the same time. Seems like a good show to me.

Not a bad idea at all Greg, here are a few suggestions, that might make me go to that track again:

#1 Stock and Superstock HAVE to be pitted on the same side of the track, ie the paved side. Being told to drive across the back of the burnout box(while cars were competing by the way) and find my competitor for pairing is still entertaining to me yet troubling to me a couple years later! In retrospect, I should have done a top sportsman burnout all the way across in the gremlin.

#2 Lower letters get the outside lanes, higher letters get the two inside lanes. I think it would be a better visual for the fans to see the turtles in the middle, and the hares on the outside closing in for the kill.

#3 Since its a exhibition, might as well pair up all the world champs you can, I'd watch Fletcher verus Biondo versus Zane versus Worner.

Assuming the software and hardware can handle 4 dial ins, etc.

I'm liking it more and more. Lets face it, who honestly likes national events more than national opens and divisionals?

Eric

ken robinson 12-10-2017 12:36 PM

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I agree with Eric on the pits because of the running to the other side and back , not know when your pair is going out , is a major issue for a one person team . That is the the only thing the track designer screwed up . It should have been one large staging lane behind the tower or something ( other than staging its a great track ) . I think dial in's on the windows are ok .Leave the R.T's on the time slips . If its a heads up is a heads up that shouldn't be an issue ......... The biggest issue you have is , how do you get Mr. B.Smith to say yes to a race date at his track ....... As well as to letting you spray some PJ-1 on his track surface ............Thats the biggest challenge .......P.S. Mr Smith lets nascar spray PJ-1 on some of his circle tracks he owns , in the corners to help make a second grove for better racing . What dose he not under stand about the need for traction on the starting line of his drag strip ? You might sale it to him as a national open/sports nationals or sportsman shootout ( some type of catchy name so he can sale tickets ) type race with pre-entered racers to guaranteed car count .

nhramnl 12-11-2017 01:40 PM

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[QUOTE=MEXJOE;551091]How about we one up it!!
Remover ALL reaction times from all time slips / runs.
And do a dial in with a digital device / phone so no one knows what the other guys are dialing!![/QUOTE

Removing reaction times from time slips is an idea that I've supported for years. There are Stock and Super Stock guys (that typically race every week) who can literally "dial" themselves into the .500-.510 range, with starting line RPM and front tire pressure. Not saying they're not clever or talented, but if you're a twice a month racer, you don't stand a chance.

I've also been intrigued by the Comp Eliminator breakout system OR switching Stock and Super Stock to a .500 "Pro" tree.

Don Kennedy 12-11-2017 03:30 PM

Re: Flame away at this idea
 
[QUOTE=nhramnl;551545]
Quote:

Originally Posted by MEXJOE (Post 551091)
How about we one up it!!
Remover ALL reaction times from all time slips / runs.
And do a dial in with a digital device / phone so no one knows what the other guys are dialing!![/QUOTE

Removing reaction times from time slips is an idea that I've supported for years. There are Stock and Super Stock guys (that typically race every week) who can literally "dial" themselves into the .500-.510 range, with starting line RPM and front tire pressure. Not saying they're not clever or talented, but if you're a twice a month racer, you don't stand a chance.

I've also been intrigued by the Comp Eliminator breakout system OR switching Stock and Super Stock to a .500 "Pro" tree.

I like the idea of a .500 pro tree and let deep staging back


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