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Mike Fuller 10-04-2017 10:52 AM

NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Saw this on Competition Plus.

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...uture-in-doubt

600ci 10-04-2017 11:20 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
writing on the wall ? mountian motor - pro/stockX
factory stock - pro/stock
please no burnout contest
reduce upper mngt payroll increase payout for these 2 class's
gold card for top 10 qualifyers in ALL class's at major events
gold card for top 5 qualifyers in ALL class's at divisonal events
stop taking its time to give back before no one shows up

Ed Carpenter 10-04-2017 11:21 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Nhra is killing pro stock. The just eliminated the smaller teams. Way to go nhra. First the ignorant idea that EFI would help. Fans don't give a damn about a hood scoop. All that did was cost teams a ton of money. Congratulations nhra on another ignorant decision. Wally Parks is rolling over in his grave. The suits in Glendora have NO clue what their doing ZERO.....

skills 10-04-2017 11:22 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Please somebody explain to me what they are doing? Etown, is in a region that loves Pro Stock. I started going to Etown Fridays to see the friday pro stock session.

Bill Koski 10-04-2017 11:30 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Why not include the fuel classes, they barely have 8 competitive cars at any event.
The top 5 qualifiers generally may as well have a bye unless somebody screws up 4 rounds of qualifying.

Bobby DiDomenico 10-04-2017 11:31 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
WOW! Interesting reading everything.

Floyd Staggs 10-04-2017 11:40 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
What will this accomplish?

GTS340 10-04-2017 11:45 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
With the Johnson family retiring from Pro-Stock kinda leaves it Pro-Camaro. Factory stock brings way more interest now a days to fans and Detroit. Pro-Stock was my favorite class many years ago. The cars did wheelies in every gear. A blast to watch. You could also tell who made the car. Now they all look like nothing you can buy at the dealer

Nmbr1GMfan 10-04-2017 12:00 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
https://i.imgur.com/P6O89px.jpg

jmcarter 10-04-2017 01:21 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Everyone needs to read the entire Competition Plus article. Pretty sad when essentially every successful team is begging for help and they seem to be largely ignored. I'm now trying to understand why any of those teams wouldn't abandon their programs and funnel their time and $$$ into Pro Mod, Factory Stock, etc. because the hand writing is on the wall. Incredulous that NHRA states how they have "increased TV exposure". Excuse me but think the Leah interviews alone get more air than Pro Stock.

Pistol Pete 10-04-2017 01:28 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Other than Houston(which is race #4) They deleted 4 races in a row twice.
Topeka, Epping, Englishtown & Bristol.
Denver, Sonoma, Seattle & Brainerd.

I meant to say: There having 8 car fields, (not deleted races)

Doesn't make sense to me either.

copperhead 10-04-2017 01:41 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
But by God let's get Top Fuel Motorcycle on the schedule...Really??

Pro Stock has SUCKED since NHRA went away from factory roof and quarter panels. Why would an OEM want to be involved when the cars competing look nothing like what they are trying to sell in the showrooms? Really makes me sad. I used to love watching Pro Stock. :(

Tom keedle 10-04-2017 01:42 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
personally, if they'd do away with the fuel classes, i'd be ok with it.
if they want to make the track greasy, use some diesels...
keep in mind i'm strictly a spectater

SSGT Mustang 10-04-2017 02:33 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
If NHRA is largely ignoring their flagship naturally aspirated class, then that also says something about their opinion of sportsman racing.

NHRA is quickly becoming the motorsports version of the WWE.

Lew Silverman 10-04-2017 03:52 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
All the events they changed the fields to 8 are venues where there were LESS than 16 cars entered this year. I guess someone thought that these Professional's don't travel during the season, or they decided to punish the places (and fans) who couldn't draw a full 16 car field. Either way, it sure does make it more difficult for the teams that were just hanging on!

Angelo DiTocco 10-04-2017 05:16 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
So I guess this will allow an increase in the sportsman entry quotas?

Bob Don 10-04-2017 05:26 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Bring back real bodies, not jellybeans.

Ed Carpenter 10-04-2017 07:39 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
NHRA saves themselves $360,000. by eliminating 8 qualifying position at 9 races at $5000. Per position. And that money comes directly out of the racers budget. Other than that.....what have they accomplished??? They are just changing it, so they make more money!!

Rick Kolber 10-04-2017 08:40 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GTS340 (Post 546794)
With the Johnson family retiring from Pro-Stock kinda leaves it Pro-Camaro. Factory stock brings way more interest now a days to fans and Detroit. Pro-Stock was my favorite class many years ago. The cars did wheelies in every gear. A blast to watch. You could also tell who made the car. Now they all look like nothing you can buy at the dealer

Isn't this the whole objective, get rid of Pro Stock and no lawsuit. Now what about the rest of the mess? Any ideas? I have some but it would take too long to rant my comments and don't want to befriend anyone!

Jim Hanig 10-04-2017 10:19 PM

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You just can't fix stupid, hnra just money gubbers.

4406mopar 10-04-2017 11:44 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
No need for he countdown to the championship in this class, only be 6 cars participating.

They need to make room for all the Harley draggin' baggers, outlaw 8.5, etc, etc.

Go on YouTube, type in George Carlin stupid people.

Mike Jones 10-04-2017 11:45 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom keedle (Post 546804)
personally, if they'd do away with the fuel classes, i'd be ok with it.
if they want to make the track greasy, use some diesels...
keep in mind i'm strictly a spectater

If they got rid of the fuelers, you would be the only spectator:)
Mike A114

Tom keedle 10-05-2017 08:07 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Jones (Post 546858)
If they got rid of the fuelers, you would be the only spectator:)
Mike A114

unfortunately, you're probably right

joespanova 10-05-2017 08:36 AM

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I agree the coverage on TV is a joke…………the problem arises from the TV production perspective. They are assuming the fans only have an interest in fuel cars.
This “ fan” has ZERO interest in fuel cars and I wish they’d go away , die. Hopefully sooner than later. In fact , Alcohol cars at least have the injected nitro vs blown cars ( dragsters) BUT they fail to include funny cars with the same combinations. I never did get that?

Pro Stock IS boring , all Camaro shows with DRIVERS who never turn a wrench or are clueless about the cars will never have the same appeal as the days of Glidden , Johnson , Iaconio , Reher Morrison Shepherd , Morgan , Rivera etc etc.
It's apparent the future is Pro Mod. And since the name Pro Stock implies a connection with OEM , fuel injection WAS the right thing to do.....if the class can't survive solely on that change alone it wasn't healthy to begin with.

Paradigm Shift 10-05-2017 08:40 AM

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Mike Jones is certainly accurate in stating his observation of the spectator scenario.

These grotesque automotive caricatures are indeed the only draw. At this point, everything else is considered far too mundane.

85GT3 10-05-2017 10:38 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Hopefully Mike Dunn and IHRA will take advantage of this.

Bobby DiDomenico 10-05-2017 10:49 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joespanova (Post 546868)
I agree the coverage on TV is a joke…………the problem arises from the TV production perspective. They are assuming the fans only have an interest in fuel cars.


Pro Stock IS boring , all Camaro shows with DRIVERS who never turn a wrench or are clueless about the cars will never have the same appeal as the days of Glidden , Johnson , Iaconio , Reher Morrison Shepherd , Morgan , Rivera etc etc.
It's apparent the future is Pro Mod. And since the name Pro Stock implies a connection with OEM , fuel injection WAS the right thing to do.....if the class can't survive solely on that change alone it wasn't healthy to begin with.

Fuel injection had to be a very, very, very expensive conversion for the teams when we include all the other driveline parts, engine parts, and testing.

James L Miller 10-05-2017 11:16 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs

Mike Pearson 10-05-2017 11:35 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 85GT3 (Post 546882)
Hopefully Mike Dunn and IHRA will take advantage of this.

I have heard from a pretty reliable source that there will be no more Stock and super stock at IHRA. Looks like it will be bracket only. Not sure about the .90 classes.

Dave Gantz 10-05-2017 11:39 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James L Miller (Post 546886)

Now THAT'S funny!

Dave Gantz 10-05-2017 11:41 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 546796)

Notice in the 2nd paragraph, they talked to everyone....oh wait, they didn't ask the FANS!
"A fool and his money are soon parted".

Dave Gantz 10-05-2017 11:43 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Gantz (Post 546890)
Notice in the 2nd paragraph, they talked to everyone....oh wait, they didn't ask the FANS!
"A fool and his money are soon parted".

NHRA: All of the people you talked to; they will support what makes money. The FANS provide the money. Is this economics 101?

Todd Gross 10-05-2017 01:27 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James L Miller (Post 546886)

Bring Out Your Dead.... Now that's a good one.
And now for something completely different!........

Ven302 10-06-2017 09:53 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelo DiTocco (Post 546833)
So I guess this will allow an increase in the sportsman entry quotas?

Now that's funny!

Rusty Davenport 10-06-2017 11:00 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Unfortunately and sadly NHRA is doing what it has to do to survive. There is a strange and unidentifiable new generation out there that is just not attracted to anything organized, scientific or that demands hard work. The competition and desire mentality does not exist unless it is something illegal or immoral. Decent hard working people are looked down upon, and anyone spending their own money on what they enjoy is resented by most of this new society. The racing industry has been put in a position to come up with super natural wild stuff to keep going. JMTCW

Dan Fahey 10-06-2017 11:06 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Davenport (Post 546946)
Unfortunately and sadly NHRA is doing what it has to do to survive. There is a strange and unidentifiable new generation out there that is just not attracted to anything organized, scientific or that demands hard work. The competition and desire mentality does not exist unless it is something illegal or immoral. Decent hard working people are looked down upon, and anyone spending their own money on what they enjoy is resented by most of this new society. The racing industry has been put in a position to come up with super natural wild stuff to keep going. JMTCW


Wow our Dads often say that about our generation..
Then my grampa hearing what the Dads said.
Said the same thing about my Dads generation..

D

jmcarter 10-06-2017 11:41 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey (Post 546949)
Wow our Dads often say that about our generation..
Then my grampa hearing what the Dads said.
Said the same thing about my Dads generation..

D

Dan, think you're overlooking the instant gratification aspect spawned by our new electronic/digital age. The average fan who pays their $$ is simply looking for entertainment and if NHRA thinks they'll get more of that dollar by TF Harley, rocket go-carts or whatever that's exactly the way they'll move the program. If NHRA completely ignored the inputs of the top PS teams then what chance do Class racers have of having their ideas acted upon? I think the SRAC does a good job but they can't turn the ship unfortunately.

Dan Fahey 10-06-2017 01:04 PM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 546952)
Dan, think you're overlooking the instant gratification aspect spawned by our new electronic/digital age. The average fan who pays their $$ is simply looking for entertainment and if NHRA thinks they'll get more of that dollar by TF Harley, rocket go-carts or whatever that's exactly the way they'll move the program. If NHRA completely ignored the inputs of the top PS teams then what chance do Class racers have of having their ideas acted upon? I think the SRAC does a good job but they can't turn the ship unfortunately.

YUP heard that too when I was coming up..

We had the One Eyed Monster...and Rock and Roll Radio.
Oh the Drugs, Cigarettes, Beer and partying ..
Nothing has changed.

Just we forgot !

New Motorheads are Foreign cars owners !!
Oh we still have the Merican Metal lovers.

If you want Drag Racing to grow got to invite who is playing.
Pro-street-mod type racing is becoming more popular.

E85 is not just for economy !

As for Pro Stock.....things are changing here.
ProMod and anything type racing that involves the public imagination is in vogue.
Stock is having a small resurgence with the new FS Cars.

D

Jackie McCracken 10-07-2017 10:27 AM

Re: NHRA to reduce Pro Stock fields at some events
 
“We have, I fear, confused power with greatness.” – Stewart I. Udall, politician (1920-2010)

NHRA fact: If your car will start on its own and make a pass without being rebuilt after a run or cross the finish line upside down and on fire then it's not a race car.. Anybody that thinks the fans only want to see nitro powered vehicles (i.e. the power in Glendora) have not been watching youtube, paying attention, or understand people.

NHRA is killing itself and has been for quite awhile. In their greed to line their pockets, and show who the bosses are they ate the seed. They've run off the sponsors, the sportsman racers i.e. the grass roots because it's run by idiots without a clue how to promote the greatest rolling car show on earth and turned what's left of it into something that few can afford to do. NHRA/IHRA Sportsman racing became professional/semi professional racing many years ago which took most of the fun out of it and when the fun went out the car counts went down and the fan counts went down. No racers, no fans, no sponsors.. duh!

Pro Stock was a dead class they moment they became cookie cutter cars, they look alike, they sound alike, they run the same.. like watching grass grow, been that way for a long time. I'm truly surprised that it lasted as long as it did.

Factory Stock should be called Professional Stock.. This is just my opinion but Super Modifieds are the real Pro Stocks.

NHRA is dead unless it changes and so is drag racing. The fact they are throwing categories/types of racing at the fans at ever increasing rates while fan and car counts dwindle shows how much they don't know about what people want to see. NHRA is run by PhD's with degrees in stupidity, they don't teach common sense or how to read people in college.. A business man knows that if you want to increase profits you increase sales, a college grad business major thinks to increase profits you have to cut costs.. but they aren't smart enough to understand you can only cut so much, not much to cut when nothing is left and pretty soon there will be nothing left at the rate they're going. There hasn't been a businessman at NHRA in over 30 years. Fact: Once you've eaten the seed there will be no harvest next season..

Jackie



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