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At the last National event a race with a borrowed car got you all hit with horse power . The car he was racing red lit and he still ran it all out with that borrowed car. You would think if he was driving his car he would not of done that.Now your car will be hit with weight and a horse power change.Also looking at the tech card he had changed his classification.i guess thats what happens when you do not have a tech. JUST MY TWO CENTS:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Sooo....the moral of your story is......

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Can you provide any details, like Stock or Super Stock, which "last national event" (because it doesn't seem to be Englishtown)?

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I would like to hear more information. After you go thru tech or declare a class you can not change classes.

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There SHOULD BE a mandatory, mandatory tare down on ANY car running 1.20 under.
the index.
If found to be in good standing with the rules & specs., then the appropriate HP should be applied for that combo.(Mine shaft conditions ect. applied of course)

If the car is not in spec.
then disregard the run and take it out of the average
DISMISSAL FOR CAR AND DRIVER FOR 1 YEAR no questions.

That would put an end to this for all parties.

WITHOUT at Tare down and full tec. inspection to uphold the integrity of Stock Super Stock racing, what we have here are some super expensive bracket cars.


This is getting crazy!!

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I didn't want to get into this
but I have to support Rod here
He went through tear down a few weeks ago
He set the record and he had the record before that
He has worked very hard to get to the point he is at
Isn't that what this is all about?
This is about performance isn't it?
Now i dont know why he did it
Maybe just because he can
Either way he spent the money and can do as he wants
Me I will keep working to keep up
Thanks Rod for setting the bar higher,,,,

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The majority of the damage was done before Rod. I believe the original post is about the F/SA 1985 Camaro.

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1 1977 F/SA Michael Iacono, Ridge NY, '85 Camaro 10.646 11.85 -1.204

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Exactly.......read my proposal to NHRA......

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are all 305s going to be hit or just that combo?

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I think all 305 263hp auto Camaro move to 275hp. Change cam go to 262 hp. or buy a Monte Carlo or Malibu wagon same motor 248hp.Tom

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Mark,
Thanks for the kind words.
I wasn't the one to hit the 305/263 combo first, I was content running 1.15 under for class with 120 lbs extra in the trunk as this was a mineshaft race. After another racer hit our combo the first round of class. I was pissed off and took 100 lbs out for the next round of class and ran 1.264 under, thinking that the next trigger was 1.30 under. As many know we have run our car between 7-8 tenths under for the last 4 years to keep the average down. Only at Indy last year or open races have we held it all the way down. What really sucks for me personally is losing the record that I set a few weeks earlier at Atco because of someone wanted to go to the pole in qualifying.

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Hi Rod, it's a shame so many feel the need to Monday morning quarter back. Truth is most of us wish we had that problem of potentially going too fast. It takes lots of hard work and tuning and more work than many would dare to put in to be able to run like you guys. Enjoy the moment and never worry about what others think. It's envy that breeds contempt. The car is bad *** and same for Kenny's car among others. Nice talking to you this weekend and good luck the rest of the season,

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That's the beauty about stk and ss. You can leg it out when you want to. I hope Kenny and Mike do it again. Change cams and do it again. Add fuel injection and do it again. This whole gentleman's is BS. Kenny has been running this combo for years. If he wants the pole at one of his favorite races than so be it. He's spent the hard earned money over the years and deserves it!

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Rod nice run! Is there any chance you can get that guy with the orange car to do the same thing at Norwalk next week.

I just have to speak to Jim on the best way to have a lobster pond in the backyard. Did you see the size of that thing on Facebook. I just wonder how many bags of Purina Lobster Chow it took to make it that large. Will I have to build a cement pond too.

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check out the face book page looks like an air cleaner set up for Fuel Injection not a carb https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

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That's a quadrajet with just a 4bbl air cleaner base dipped to look like carbon fiber

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Look close at the front of car . do you see the air induction im not talking about the air cleaner . now look close again :rolleyes:

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Larry,
I think the orange car is saving it for Indy

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Yes thats for the TPI set up fuel injection....

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It has a drop down air cleaner base like many of the cars that run a carburetor.

What you are referring to is the factory inlet portion of the assembly that connects to the remainder of the fuel injection air cleaner assembly.

The fuel injection inlet is not connected to the carburetor, therefore, it does not act like a ram air system. I doubt it has any effect on the performance of the engine since it's not connected directly in any way or form to the carburetor. It's removal will not effect the performance of the car.

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I am not the smartest guy out there thats for sure
but if its on that car it is worth something
And since its a carb car I assume that should not be on the car
I guess that may show an issue with no tech at national events

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You are correct in your description, however there is a performance increase with that inlet vs no inlet. It directs cooler frontal air towards the carb. I think the car needs to be a Z to utilize that piece.

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That's the secret 1.20 inlet system, the fast guys have them. must be in West Coast rule book.

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I will bet if they remove it, there will not be any performance degradation. The factory FI setup has a restrictive outlet as shown in the picture. In addition, the inlet portion, as shown in the picture, is restricted and even when you remove the panels, the grills are small and are not pointed forward, they are pointed downwards.

If it was so effective, why racers with FI remove the whole assembly and use a straight K&N air filter directly on the throttle body?

The drop down carburetor base is more effective since it distributes the air more efficiently at the carburetor entry.

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If it doesn't belong there and it isn't worth anything then why is it there? You're betting with other peoples money.

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Depends on the carb setup. Not all gains are about cold air. Just saying. It can change the fuel curve going down the track. If it's run, it could be for a reason.

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It certainly doesn't appear to have any business there although it is a very ineffective device, even when utilized with the fuel system for which it was designed.

Using pressure barometers as well as other measuring tools, this vehicle has almost 18,000 CFM of airflow being delivered to the front of the engine at highway speeds.

The drop base is a very conventional unit available almost anywhere performance parts are sold. I've tested both the factory fuel injected inlet shown as well as countless bases. The benefit of utilizing the 14" base is not to create an evenly distributed entry profile.

The car is unlikely to realize this plastic component exists. However, rules are established and must be complied with.

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Why do people say things they don't know anything about. Was a 305 tip engine only available in an Iroc-z in 85-86 NO. They came in Camaro's and Berlinetta's. That piece directs fresh air from behind the bumper cover up to the throttle body of the tpi. There is no "ram air" effect. He'd be better off lower the nose and raising the from to of the hood and taking that off. But then people would say thats cheating also.

I guess this is what happens when someone spends hard earned money with Gulius.

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Seriously Todd?!? Come on this is not a max wedge.

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Ya know Billy, that engine builder from Texas, Allen Sherman ...well Allens father is Cliff Sherman and cliff told me back in the mid 90 s ....and I quote....MJ you gotta put some dumb sh,t parts on your car so all the dumb sh,ts will see it and then rush to put it on their car....monkey see...monkey do......

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Well M.J., I guess that I'm guilty of some of that stuff myself. But most people don't know what they're looking at when they look at my stuff anyway.

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Kenny has been around for a long time and with a very shrewd group of Connecticut class racers.
I'm very happy for him, congratulations and good luck.

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I do.......6 equals 8 .....LOL

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My buddy has a SS Camaro with a QJ and he tells me that piece of plastic inlet makes his car quicker when it's on the car, then I wonder. When I start to look around at several other cars and they also have that piece on, I start to think he's right. When another friend of mine puts that piece on his Camaro and goes quicker, the debate is indisputable. A Stocker may vary, but I don't think so. This means that I do know what I'm talking about. Your results may, right Kieth O?

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Did you test this on your car? If not then I'd say no you don't. I would love to see how this test session went. Wait so you guys run the air cleaner snorkel on your SS car? Hmmm Was it a Z?

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If he is not sealing the carb to it, I'm sure it's not doing a thing.

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Sealing a "scoop" to the carb is not always beneficial, but how could directing fresh air to it not be?

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I disagree. If the scoop is positioned correctly over the carb and sealed correctly it will be beneficial. If it's not it could be a disaster..

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I race a SS truck. These two friends of mine have SS Z Camaro's with all the proper ground effects, spoiler, hood and whatever. I don't know anyone in SS that uses an air filter base, but I'm sure there is some out there. I'm just commenting real world results. If you don't agree, whatever, don't get twisted up over it.