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Ed Carpenter 05-31-2017 11:37 AM

My proposal to NHRA
 
Forget about it. Negative feedback is fine. Constructive feedback is fine. Hate fueled emails, pms I'm done with this. Im not ruining my soft *** combination because of some proposal your making to nhra, your proposal will ruin my combo, I like bracket racing, your only helping your buddies', blah blah blah. As I said on Facebook all the haters dont want class racing they want to set up their BBQ pits and bracket race. Hope you get what you want. **** it....

Nmbr1GMfan 05-31-2017 05:26 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
What would be the downside to class at divisional's?

Matt Welker 05-31-2017 07:43 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 536081)
What would be the downside to class at divisional's?

My guess, many egos couldn't handle getting beat for class so often.......

Why race a class car if you are afraid to run heads up?

James Jeschke Jr 05-31-2017 08:32 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Welker (Post 536089)
My guess, many egos couldn't handle getting beat for class so often.......

Why race a class car if you are afraid to run heads up?

I agree with Matt.............

novassdude 06-01-2017 09:20 AM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Welker (Post 536089)
My guess, many egos couldn't handle getting beat for class so often.......

Why race a class car if you are afraid to run heads up?

X3 That is what class racing is supposed to be all about.

Trevor Weiss 06-01-2017 10:45 AM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Welker (Post 536089)
My guess, many egos couldn't handle getting beat for class so often.......

Why race a class car if you are afraid to run heads up?

I agree X4

Bobby Fazio 06-01-2017 11:22 AM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 536081)
What would be the downside to class at divisional's?

We had class at Atco on Friday and a CIC race on Saturday night for class winners. Who wouldn't want class at a divisional? Unless Saturday morning guys don't want to miss Friday class? That is understandable.

Jim Wahl 06-01-2017 01:31 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter (Post 536052)
Will go out tomorrow. I submitted over 150 emails to fellow stock as super stock racers for feedback after reviewing proposal I sent them. I'd say it was about 90% positive. The biggest negative was for my proposal to add class to 3 division races per division per year. Got a lot of.negative feedback saying it would add another day to races and most didn't want it. So I removed it. I did have some interesting comments. One said if class eliminations was added to division races they would quit. Other said my points for qualifying was bad because only 150,000 factory cars would get all the points. Oh well cant make everyone happy. Like I said most really liked it including some of the SRAC members. Thanks for the input. Ed

I would have been for the class racing at Divisionals but I wasn't asked. Jim

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Ed Carpenter 06-01-2017 08:21 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl (Post 536164)
I would have been for the class racing at Divisionals but I wasn't asked. Jim

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Go to pg.2 read my thread Let's talk about setting records. I clearly asked for everyone's opinion on the topics. I also sent out over 170 emails with about 60 not returned. So either their busy or dont care.......

Blackgar 06-01-2017 09:07 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Just asking, what would running class at divisionals do for the racer aside from torturing the cars. Currently the number of contingency sponsors has dropped to the lowest level that I have seen in 40 years of racing
Why not first ask nhra to cut the classes back to say 40. Run a/t & sticks together, put the modified cars in comp, & combine the factory cars in with Gt or s/s, then try to get sponsors to pay class again. Do I currently have a car that could win class, no, not by any streach. But if the classes were cut back I would bet a big number that want class would bail

For the sake of the class this is the direction we should be following, adding a class for every new car certainly hasn't worked

Ed Carpenter 06-01-2017 09:28 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackgar (Post 536188)
Just asking, what would running class at divisionals do for the racer aside from torturing the cars. Currently the number of contingency sponsors has dropped to the lowest level that I have seen in 40 years of racing
Why not first ask nhra to cut the classes back to say 40. Run a/t & sticks together, put the modified cars in comp, & combine the factory cars in with Gt or s/s, then try to get sponsors to pay class again. Do I currently have a car that could win class, no, not by any streach. But if the classes were cut back I would bet a big number that want class would bail

For the sake of the class this is the direction we should be following, adding a class for every new car certainly hasn't worked

Like I said due to all the negativity (like you) I dropped it from my final proposal (I wasn't going to but ill post it on here). Like I have told many people feel free to write your own proposal to nhra. I'm actually trying to do something. Just like when I ran my SS/K shootout raising over 7000.00 for fellow racers for one class there was still.bitching.......

PS Graham Light email is glight@nhra.com
. Peter Clifford email pclifford@nhra.com
. Danny Gracia email dgracia@nhra.com
. Glen Gray email ggray@nhra.com

Write away!

Blackgar 06-01-2017 10:00 PM

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Ed, not negative or bitchin. Just trying to make sense out of one class having 122 individual categories. No contingency sponsor could afford to pay this on a consistent basis.

Cudos to you on the points for record setting. I don't disagree with all of your proposal, just the class thing.

Ps we have presented the number of classes thing to NHRA

Nmbr1GMfan 06-01-2017 10:39 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackgar (Post 536188)
Just asking, what would running class at divisionals do for the racer aside from torturing the cars. Currently the number of contingency sponsors has dropped to the lowest level that I have seen in 40 years of racing
Why not first ask nhra to cut the classes back to say 40. Run a/t & sticks together, put the modified cars in comp, & combine the factory cars in with Gt or s/s, then try to get sponsors to pay class again. Do I currently have a car that could win class, no, not by any streach. But if the classes were cut back I would bet a big number that want class would bail

For the sake of the class this is the direction we should be following, adding a class for every new car certainly hasn't worked

Forgive me because I'm new to this and learning. Why do I keep reading about people wanting to combine the autos and sticks? And what would be the appeal to reduce classes?

ALMACK 06-01-2017 10:58 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Thank you Ed for your hard work.
Hope NHRA listens to you and some positives come out of all this.

Everett Vassar 06-01-2017 11:01 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
I think running class at divisionals would be a hoot. I have a lot of money in my car,but I bring it to the track TO RACE IT without a lot of thought about contingency,s . You can pay us a winners hat and a cheap trophy and we'll race it. Besides my driver won turn down another time trial.

Ron Ortiz 06-01-2017 11:16 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Contrary to what people think, having all these different classes is what Stock Eliminator is all about. There are a ton of combos out there and they all fit different classes. There is nothing wrong with that. Having less classes is what will bring Stock down. You are trying to create lump classes to satisfy who? NHRA, select racers, time restraints, or is it contingencies. How about this. Contingency sponsors paying for Stock, only pay for the classes that have participants.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA this isn't hard people

Jim Wahl 06-02-2017 07:20 AM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter (Post 536185)
Go to pg.2 read my thread Let's talk about setting records. I clearly asked for everyone's opinion on the topics. I also sent out over 170 emails with about 60 not returned. So either their busy or dont care.......

Sorry, I still don't see any request at all. Anyway, good luck. I can tell you from experience you're beating your head against a huge corporate wall. Jim

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Mike Pearson 06-02-2017 07:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz (Post 536200)
Contrary to what people think, having all these different classes is what Stock Eliminator is all about. There are a ton of combos out there and they all fit different classes. There is nothing wrong with that. Having less classes is what will bring Stock down. You are trying to create lump classes to satisfy who? NHRA, select racers, time restraints, or is it contingencies. How about this. Contingency sponsors paying for Stock, only pay for the classes that have participants.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA this isn't hard people

Great post Ron.

Nmbr1GMfan 06-02-2017 08:14 AM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz (Post 536200)
Contrary to what people think, having all these different classes is what Stock Eliminator is all about. There are a ton of combos out there and they all fit different classes. There is nothing wrong with that. Having less classes is what will bring Stock down. You are trying to create lump classes to satisfy who? NHRA, select racers, time restraints, or is it contingencies. How about this. Contingency sponsors paying for Stock, only pay for the classes that have participants.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA this isn't hard people

I agree with this.

Nmbr1GMfan 06-02-2017 09:45 AM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl (Post 536208)
Sorry, I still don't see any request at all. Anyway, good luck. I can tell you from experience you're beating your head against a huge corporate wall. Jim

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It's there, browser settings computer to computer change the page it's on.

SDT1DYI 06-02-2017 09:48 AM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
I thought class racing was what drag racing was about? I was out of the sport for sometime, but recently built a stocker. After building it, I found many racers run somewhat below their index and making their combo faster is not the number one priority. At the races one cannot change much as its really a bracket race. I find now I have more fun flogging the car at a T&T secession, fiquiring out what really works, than racing an event unless I get a heads up race. Costs for any racer is a big issue and we all have different bugets but it would nice for those who choose to run fast to have some incentive to do so like class racing at the divisional.

Mike Pearson 06-02-2017 11:16 AM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SDT1DYI (Post 536227)
I thought class racing was what drag racing was about? I was out of the sport for sometime, but recently built a stocker. After building it, I found many racers run somewhat below their index and making their combo faster is not the number one priority. At the races one cannot change much as its really a bracket race. I find now I have more fun flogging the car at a T&T secession, fiquiring out what really works, than racing an event unless I get a heads up race. Costs for any racer is a big issue and we all have different bugets but it would nice for those who choose to run fast to have some incentive to do so like class racing at the divisional.

Typically a race set up is different than what would be used for a heads up race or class race. Heads up or class is all out for performance. A race set up is for consistency to win rounds. I can make my car about 15 hundreths faster if I set it up for all out performance in a class run off. That set up is not good for elimination rounds as it is not consistent. You need to be able to run on your dial and have a better than .02 light to be competitive in eliminations. Recently I had a round that I was .008 on the light and dead on the dial with a .003 and lost. so that tells you that racing is very close in our style of competition. Personally I like to go rounds so I usually keep my car in race mode all of the time.

Nmbr1GMfan 06-02-2017 01:06 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SDT1DYI (Post 536227)
I thought class racing was what drag racing was about? I was out of the sport for sometime, but recently built a stocker. After building it, I found many racers run somewhat below their index and making their combo faster is not the number one priority. At the races one cannot change much as its really a bracket race. I find now I have more fun flogging the car at a T&T secession, fiquiring out what really works, than racing an event unless I get a heads up race. Costs for any racer is a big issue and we all have different bugets but it would nice for those who choose to run fast to have some incentive to do so like class racing at the divisional.

Edactly, I couldn't care less about the bracket aspect of stock. I'm looking for the challenge of heads up runs.

Jim Wahl 06-02-2017 05:47 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 536226)
It's there, browser settings computer to computer change the page it's on.

It's ok. Went back several pages but never saw it. Doesn't matter. I'm only one vote anyway, but I seem to be in agreement with the OP on most of what his proposal was. I just don't think (from prior experience) that the powers that be will listen anyway. Jim

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OLD INJUN 06-02-2017 09:20 PM

Re: My proposal to NHRA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackgar (Post 536188)
just asking, what would running class at divisionals do for the racer aside from torturing the cars. Currently the number of contingency sponsors has dropped to the lowest level that i have seen in 40 years of racing
why not first ask nhra to cut the classes back to say 40. Run a/t & sticks together, put the modified cars in comp, & combine the factory cars in with gt or s/s, then try to get sponsors to pay class again. Do i currently have a car that could win class, no, not by any streach. But if the classes were cut back i would bet a big number that want class would bail

for the sake of the class this is the direction we should be following, adding a class for every new car certainly hasn't worked

torturing cars what are they built for? ( a ride at disneyland) my oh my how would you like to go 600 miles at 200 mph thats torture!


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