Jerry Emmons speaks his mind
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Your strategy is to always hold some on your dial---strike 1
You've already been warned---strike 2 Inconsistent enforcement of rules is part of life. Try telling how unfair that is to the state trooper who pulls you over for doing 5 over... |
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The topic is being discussed on social media. West coast racers say he should have been DQ'd while the rest of the country says he got screwed. Kinda makes you think seriously about ever wanting to go out west racing.
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Don't know what happened the day before, but video looks like a great example of driving the stripe under control.
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I think it was interesting that on March 8th NHRA put up a video on Facebook of Jerry's win at Pomona:
https://www.facebook.com/NHRA/videos/10155112920676410/ He got a little squirrelly at the end. No tire smoke. I am beginning to think he has anti lock brakes as hard as he shut it down in the run he was tossed out over with no smoke. I do think he is braking too hard on all the runs in question, but they certainly were within the current written rules. Bill |
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There rules there game, when I was young dad told me if I did that again I'd get spanked, guess what happened? I didn't do it a third time. Didn't matter if it was a bad call or not, they said don't do it again, period. Why does everyone fail to see that?
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From the video (not saying that the video clip is definitive), everything looks nice and under control. He crossed the stripe in the center of his lane, unlike his opponent. |
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Seems to be a difference of opinion on the round in question. It shows no smoke in video and others agree, but in the article the starter says he did it again and a skid mark is at finish line that was seen by Mr Rice through binoculars. The visual shows no smoke. So who is correct?
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Emmons had to be warned before.
This ruling did not happen over night. This Ruling by NHRA falls under the term Persistent Infringement..! Happens in all sports where the Player gets a pass on a Trifling Foul. First time given a warning. Because tempers escalate and is about safe and fair play. Second time a sterner warning. Third Time - Foul Like driving through a school zone. Speed limit is 25 mph. Despite kids being around you drive at 35 or more... Then complain you get caught.. D |
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Had he been someone else what would of happened??
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Emmons has yet to violate the excessive braking rule, as written. |
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Yes, the rule is written in black and white.
The problem with the rule is that it is open for interpretation. If all else fails, the Race Director is the final decision. The biggest flaw in this rule - It is NOT levied equally at every race. I have seen videos of cars sideways and no DQ, |
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Agree with Emmons 1000 percent! No disrespect to his opponent , but how did he get the win when he too clearly was on the brakes hard ?
I guess the rule book should say dial accordingly no lifting to win a race at all must stay in throttle till finish line lol give me a break just ridiculous! |
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To say he could see tire marks from the tower through binoculars and then being quoted to see tire marks on video of the next pair of cars is really stretching it. There is no way the director could see tire marks with all the previously layed down rubber and traction compound. It's tough enough out there without someone making sure it wasn't going to be "your day". Horrible call.
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Bias and rule interpretation aside if you had been warned the prior round why wouldn't you dial honest and avoid dipping the front end at all?
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Cause its 2017 and not 1980 something and very few of the best class/bracket/ .90 class drivers dial honest anymore.
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As I said in other areas, been on both sides of this fence being the one warned and the one in the other lane against someone who was warned or should have been and wasn't. Whether you agree with how he drove or didn't, the fact remains NHRA needs to clarify and put it into black and white exactly what is and what isn't excessive braking. Until that happens, it is always going to be subjective. |
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You got screwed period,they could throw half the field out for what you did ive looked at video 100 times really nhra!!! Who made this call? I know a good lawyer in l a area dont let them get away with this
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Just put a wall separating the lanes where neither one can see the others front end or wheels/tires to judge the finish line and the problem is solved.
Takes the judgement calls for NHRA out of the situation. Sarcasm intended. Rick Cates |
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let a judge decide this one I don't think you lose!!!my 2 cents
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Here's one west coat racer that thinks this was a bad call. interesting that there was a reference to Jerry and this race official having past history. Sounds like a possibility this was rigged. When my son played Little League ball, we had a few umpires that made notorious bad calls to send some kind of a message. If coaches and dads confronted him and questioned his eyesight, motivation, integrity and intelligence, that team seemed to get more bad calls against it. Let's face it, everybody runs against it. If you're successful, you get them, too. Might be personal,might not. The Emmons family is about the finest team in Sportsman racing. They are a first class outfit. I look up to them as the most exemplary people you will ever meet. Jerry and the gang has MANY more wins left in them, and this disgraceful event will be lost forever in light of their successes. Go out and keep winning,you guys! That video was the best driver's education video you could ever see. Don't think that Div.7 racers feel that way. You saw Div.7 at it's best with the George Stassi win. We racers look up to that, not a disgraceful bad call from some official. Just remember the famous motto of many--"Success is the best revenge!!".
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Just drive the finish line carefully. |
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Thanks Randy.
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I agree 100% with Jim Carter.
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Rule needs to change period. Starters discretion? So spend your hard earned money and he will tell you how your driving style should be based on "HIS" interpretation??
It sounds like it to me! |
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However, immediate discretionary calls are common in all kinds of sports. Standards and clear rules are necessary, and an official should be at the place of action. Maybe we need a line judge and instant replay? The nature of such sports related calls always makes for controversy. This is a good time to review rules, process and procedure.
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On the recent WFO Podcast, Division Director Mike Rice quoted the rule and then went on to say he thinks it should say or mean something else. While I agree that the rule does not go far enough, it does not matter what I think or Mike Rice thinks, or anyone else. The rule says what it says. If NHRA does not like what the rule says, then they should change the rule. If NHRA's rule read the same as IHRA's rule on the subject, they *might* have a leg to stand on. Under "Grounds For Disqualifications", it states: Quote:
As I have said before, In my personal opinion, NHRA's rule doesn't go far enough, and NHRA's ruling went too far! There is a LOT of space between the two. They either need to rewrite the rule and start DQ'ing a LOT of drivers this year, or apologize and make amends with Mr. Emmons. There is a completely separate issue here that is being largely ignored. There is a problem with Emmon's car, and he is aware of it. On the WFO Podcast, he said that after one of the runs where it smoked the tires and got sideways on him, they took all the wheels off the car and had the brakes inspected by a well-known chassis builder. While they did not find an obvious issue, the car continues to not stop the way they would like it to. When Thomas Fletcher had his dramatic 360 spin a couple of years ago, Dan inspected the car and found a problem with the brakes, and fixed it. |
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The video shows he rolled down the window in the shutdown area and waved his hand out the window (safety no no). Thats something I got the never do that again speech for ... Any how good driving , maybe hold alittle less ...
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Again, not putting forth my opinion, because I wasn't there.
Video? I've had two people say it looks like Emmons' back wheel comes off the ground. I did see the video of round two. I wonder if some of you did? We know that he received a warning after that one. We know that ,in the fourth round, he was down 10 mph and still ran .02 under the dial. The starter says he saw an unsafe movement of the car , from his vantage point. They have to be able to make a discretionary call when it comes to safety issues, in MY opinion. Should NHRA have said..well, he didn't hit the wall, or the other car, so let's wait until maybe he does? Can you imagine the liability on that one? Yes, I like the IHRA rule much better. No, I don't think there was a vast West Coast conspiracy here. |
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There is one thing we all can agree on, "Excessive" braking is a bad thing. We have all seen crashes resulting from excessive braking.
I have spent quite a bit of time researching this story. I've looked at the NHRA All-Access video. This is truly a case of an official making up for a missed call on an earlier incident. Just like in baseball, where the umpire calls a ball instead of a strike on one pitch, then evens up the count on the next pitch, regardless of where the ball is thrown. In R1 Jerry smoked the front tires at the stripe. In R2 he got the car turned sideways so hard the announcer comments about seeing both sides of the car at the stripe. R3 there was no mention or clear video evidence of anything unusual happening at the stripe. In R4 Jerry is DQ'ed. This is really a bad decision (for R4) because it probably should've happened in R1 or R2. I say a bad decision because it changes how eliminations continue with the wrong person not being able to continue. Everything is messed up, points, money etc. Now Jerry says that he won't let NHRA dictate how to drive his race car. Now we have a challenge, NHRA says one thing, Jerry says another. I wonder who will prevail? I believe NHRA will begin a big push to enforce their rule about "unsafe driving. It needs to be done, and done equally. Dan Foley SC4698 |
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And I agree that sometimes its excessive braking because the driver stomped two feet on the pedal and tried to throw the car in park, and sometimes things happen because of mechanical issues and that can cause the car to wiggle, premature lock up the tires, etc. I would hope that if it's a mechanical issue NHRA would make up for it somehow, but it is NHRA after all. |
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It appears to me that racers are dialing soft with the full intension of hitting the breaks at the end of the run. If that is the plan then plan on getting tossed. They should dial closer to what they can run so this is not an issue. They know what their car will run.
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That is how it works Dan with the top notch drivers.
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