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GeneNMCA 12-07-2016 05:03 PM
Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
The following are the Preliminary Rules package for 2017 NMCA S3 Eliminator: If you have any suggest or ideas with this rules set please forward to NMCArules@promediapub.com

NMCA Stock/Super Stock Combo (S/SS)

S3

Class Description
S/SS is a handicap brake out eliminator based off of all NHRA and IHRA Stock and Super Stock classes. With the exception of any current combination that is eligible to participate in NMCA Super Car eliminator will not be eligible to participate in S/SS Combo.

Qualifying Information, Ladder Type, & Tree
All run qualified field on a sportsman type ladder. The class will qualify based off of current posted indexes from NHRA and IHRA. Eliminations will be run on a 5 tenths full tree; 64 cars or less will be laddered first round, over 64 cars will be random paired first round and laddered second round based off of first round eliminations. All dial-ins must be under the currently posted indexes for all NHRA / IHRA Stock and Super Stock class combinations. All qualifiers in S/SS must have a valid elapsed time recorded to be placed into eliminator competition. During eliminations when identical class combinations are paired the dial-in for both competitors will be based off of the faster qualified car and bumped by 1 tenth of a second, brake out still in effect.

RULES
All rules and classification will be based off the current year NHRA and IHRA rules and classification guide with the exception of; Fuel Check and Weight will not be a technical requirement. All NHRA Safety rules will be in effect. No modifications, which alter the car from factory stock, are permitted unless they are specifically allowed in NHRA / IHRA rules, or as authorized by the NMCA rules committee. Competitors will be required to have a valid NMCA Membership and permanent number, number can be their current NHRA or IHRA number as long as it does not duplicate another competitors number, in those cases NMCA will issue a number as close as possible to one of the competitors current number.



CREDENTIALS
A Valid state or government issued driver’s license beyond a learner/s permit level mandatory for cars running 10.00 or slower. A Valid NHRA competition license is mandatory for cars running 9.99 or quicker, at an NHRA Member Track. NHRA/IHRA competition license mandatory at an IHRA Member Track.
Note: It is ultimately the competitor’s responsibility to familiarize themselves with the NMCA class requirements as well as all NHRA safety requirements. The competitor agrees they bear the ultimate responsibility when it comes to safety and how it complies with the NMRA and NHRA rule books. The competitor also agrees that no one else other than the competitor is in the best position to know about how their particular race car has been constructed and how to safely operate it.

Appearance:
In order to be eligible for the NMCA official contingency program, all contingency sponsors’ decals must be easily visible and located on the outside of the vehicle on the rear quarter windows or rear window in a clear and organized fashion. Contingency decals may not be overlapped or modified. Other decals and sponsors may appear on bodywork, front end and on windows. Failure to do so can result in the driver forfeiting all claimed contingencies for that particular event. The NMCA does require all entries to run the following decals:
1. NMCA Windshield Banner: Decal needs to be located on the top of the windshield or just above the windshield located on the body.
2. NMCA Drag Racing Series: Decals (2) must be located on each side of vehicle. Either on the side windows or decals can be located on the body right beside the side windows.
3. Class Sponsor: Decal must be located on the passenger’s side lower portion of the windshield.
4. VP Racing Fuels: Official Fuel decals (2) required. Must be located on each side of vehicle. (In a contingency decal manner)
5. Aerospace Winners Circle: Decals (2) must be prominently displayed on each side of vehicle. Failure to do so can result in the winning driver forfeiting his/hers Winner’s Trophy & Payout.
6. Class & Competition Numbers: Numbers must be easily visible/legible and located on the front, back, and both side windows.

S3

SS3718 12-07-2016 05:33 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
I reviewed quickly and one thing that jumped out is the NHRA vs. IHRA index. I'll use GT/FA as an example. In NHRA the index is 10.80. In IHRA, I believe it is 11.10. (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong)

Probably need to use IHRA indexes for all or have wording that says NHRA index trumps IHRA index when both organizations have the same class. That would leave the IHRA index in use for classes that are not offered in NHRA. Hope that makes sense!

Nick Morris

Andrew Hill 12-07-2016 05:38 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
The rules mention that weight is not a technical requirement, but there are pseudo-heads up runs with the dial in being .1 quicker than the faster qualified car. Will these runs, at least, be weighed?

ALMACK 12-07-2016 07:52 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SS3718 (Post 521801)
I reviewed quickly and one thing that jumped out is the NHRA vs. IHRA index. I'll use GT/FA as an example. In NHRA the index is 10.80. In IHRA, I believe it is 11.10. (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong)

Probably need to use IHRA indexes for all or have wording that says NHRA index trumps IHRA index when both organizations have the same class. That would leave the IHRA index in use for classes that are not offered in NHRA. Hope that makes sense!

Nick Morris
I agree with Nick.
It might get confusing.

They could do what Michael Beard did at the Class Nationals and use all IHRA indexes on entries with a similar NHRA class.

It gets even more confusing when the factored IHRA hp is lower than the NHRA hp for the same combo and moves the combo to a different natural class and/or weight..

ALMACK 12-07-2016 07:58 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Hill (Post 521803)
The rules mention that weight is not a technical requirement, but there are pseudo-heads up runs with the dial in being .1 quicker than the faster qualified car. Will these runs, at least, be weighed?
Good point.
I doubt it would ever affect me if I ran their events, but racers in the heavily populated upper letter classes might be concerned.
They have scales at all of their events anyways, so they would just need an official there at the scales on those rare heads up pairings.

Chris1529 12-08-2016 12:01 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
By going with that different rule on heads up, that could possibly change the way people run their car during qualifying.

Ed Carpenter 12-08-2016 01:21 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneNMCA (Post 521796)
The following are the Preliminary Rules package for 2017 NMCA S3 Eliminator: If you have any suggest or ideas with this rules set please forward to NMCArules@promediapub.com

NMCA Stock/Super Stock Combo (S/SS)

S3

Class Description
S/SS is a handicap brake out eliminator based off of all NHRA and IHRA Stock and Super Stock classes. With the exception of any current combination that is eligible to participate in NMCA Super Car eliminator will not be eligible to participate in S/SS Combo.

Qualifying Information, Ladder Type, & Tree
All run qualified field on a sportsman type ladder. The class will qualify based off of current posted indexes from NHRA and IHRA. Eliminations will be run on a 5 tenths full tree; 64 cars or less will be laddered first round, over 64 cars will be random paired first round and laddered second round based off of first round eliminations. All dial-ins must be under the currently posted indexes for all NHRA / IHRA Stock and Super Stock class combinations. All qualifiers in S/SS must have a valid elapsed time recorded to be placed into eliminator competition. During eliminations when identical class combinations are paired the dial-in for both competitors will be based off of the faster qualified car and bumped by 1 tenth of a second, brake out still in effect.

RULES
All rules and classification will be based off the current year NHRA and IHRA rules and classification guide with the exception of; Fuel Check and Weight will not be a technical requirement. All NHRA Safety rules will be in effect. No modifications, which alter the car from factory stock, are permitted unless they are specifically allowed in NHRA / IHRA rules, or as authorized by the NMCA rules committee. Competitors will be required to have a valid NMCA Membership and permanent number, number can be their current NHRA or IHRA number as long as it does not duplicate another competitors number, in those cases NMCA will issue a number as close as possible to one of the competitors current number.



CREDENTIALS
A Valid state or government issued driver’s license beyond a learner/s permit level mandatory for cars running 10.00 or slower. A Valid NHRA competition license is mandatory for cars running 9.99 or quicker, at an NHRA Member Track. NHRA/IHRA competition license mandatory at an IHRA Member Track.
Note: It is ultimately the competitor’s responsibility to familiarize themselves with the NMCA class requirements as well as all NHRA safety requirements. The competitor agrees they bear the ultimate responsibility when it comes to safety and how it complies with the NMRA and NHRA rule books. The competitor also agrees that no one else other than the competitor is in the best position to know about how their particular race car has been constructed and how to safely operate it.

Appearance:
In order to be eligible for the NMCA official contingency program, all contingency sponsors’ decals must be easily visible and located on the outside of the vehicle on the rear quarter windows or rear window in a clear and organized fashion. Contingency decals may not be overlapped or modified. Other decals and sponsors may appear on bodywork, front end and on windows. Failure to do so can result in the driver forfeiting all claimed contingencies for that particular event. The NMCA does require all entries to run the following decals:
1. NMCA Windshield Banner: Decal needs to be located on the top of the windshield or just above the windshield located on the body.
2. NMCA Drag Racing Series: Decals (2) must be located on each side of vehicle. Either on the side windows or decals can be located on the body right beside the side windows.
3. Class Sponsor: Decal must be located on the passenger’s side lower portion of the windshield.
4. VP Racing Fuels: Official Fuel decals (2) required. Must be located on each side of vehicle. (In a contingency decal manner)
5. Aerospace Winners Circle: Decals (2) must be prominently displayed on each side of vehicle. Failure to do so can result in the winning driver forfeiting his/hers Winner’s Trophy & Payout.
6. Class & Competition Numbers: Numbers must be easily visible/legible and located on the front, back, and both side windows.

S3

Is there a schedule for 2017? Will s/ss be contested at all NMCA events?

kyhemi-dart 12-08-2016 01:27 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Why not take the indexes from each and set the NMCA index right in the middle? There will be cars in classes that can't run some of the NHRA indexes but are fine in IHRA.... just a thought.

Plus I think two cars in the same class should run heads up, no break out

Dyno 12-08-2016 03:07 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
My NHRA index is 9.30 for SS/AH. In IHRA it is a SS/AA car and I think the index is 9.95. Dyno

denbreeden 12-08-2016 03:25 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter (Post 521872)
Is there a schedule for 2017? Will s/ss be contested at all NMCA events?
Ed,

They have the schedule on the NMCA website, S/SS at all 6 events.

Dennis Breeden

Jeff Niceswanger 12-08-2016 08:49 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
So ...you run your car within 1 tenth of flat out in TT... Then you have that tenth in the bank for a heads- up runs .. correct ?...Interesting

Mark Yacavone 12-08-2016 10:51 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 521897)
So ...you run your car within 1 tenth of flat out in TT... Then you have that tenth in the bank for a heads- up runs .. correct ?...Interesting
Jeff, Not sure you are reading it like I am.

Here's what I see:

One A/SA goes 10.60
Another one goes 10.50.
They meet..The dial-in is 10.40.
The slower one goes 10.50 ,with a good light.
The other one goes 10.39. He loses.
Brake (break) -out in effect.

MR DERBY CITY 12-08-2016 11:15 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 521905)
Jeff, Not sure you are reading it like I am.

Here's what I see:

One A/SA goes 10.60
Another one goes 10.50.
They meet..The dial-in is 10.40.
The slower one goes 10.50 ,with a good light.
The other one goes 10.39. He loses.
Brake (break) -out in effect.
Mark is correct, as usual....Personally I have never heard of anything like this ?? Just wondering where this comes from ?

HandOverFist 12-09-2016 12:19 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 521906)
Mark is correct, as usual....Personally I have never heard of anything like this ?? Just wondering where this comes from ?
Probably to discourage heavy braking at the stripe and sandbagging during qualifying.

Chuck Norton 12-09-2016 10:09 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 521906)
Mark is correct, as usual....Personally I have never heard of anything like this ?? Just wondering where this comes from ?
My recollections of the dark, dim past of Stock racing suggest that there was once a time when the dial-in for every car was the national record BUT we were allowed to run a dime under the record without breaking out. I'll bet that Mark remembers those days (unless the whole scenario was the result of that extra shot of Jack from last night). It may seem to be an archaic methodology but we had some good racing without all the drama of 1000' shutoffs, packing in extra weight, and sandbagging the ladder.

c

ALMACK 12-09-2016 11:18 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 521905)
Jeff, Not sure you are reading it like I am.

Here's what I see:

One A/SA goes 10.60
Another one goes 10.50.
They meet..The dial-in is 10.40.
The slower one goes 10.50 ,with a good light.
The other one goes 10.39. He loses.
Brake (break) -out in effect.
Thanks for posted that Mark

Bob Don 12-09-2016 11:21 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 521905)
Jeff, Not sure you are reading it like I am.

Here's what I see:

One A/SA goes 10.60
Another one goes 10.50.
They meet..The dial-in is 10.40.
The slower one goes 10.50 ,with a good light.
The other one goes 10.39. He loses.
Brake (break) -out in effect.
Why not just run heads up with no breakout?

ALMACK 12-09-2016 11:34 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 521906)
Mark is correct, as usual....Personally I have never heard of anything like this ?? Just wondering where this comes from ?
Sounds like a "no-sandbagging during qualifying" rule to me.
I also see it being confusing to some racers.

It might somewhat alter the qualifying strategy for some racers, or then again it may not.

Will the fastest in class still qualify using full throttle knowing he has everyone else covered, and that there is no way he would run 1 tenth quicker during eliminations so therefore he can run flat out during eliminations ( in a same class pairing) and not worry about breaking out ?
I say probably.

That's the way I see it

Jim Bailey 12-09-2016 11:35 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
My recommendation would be to use IHRA Classes and Indexes. You'll solve about 75% of problems, in advance, keeping the Older Carburetor cars separated from the Newer Fuel Injected cars. I would also combine sticks and autos into the same class.

Mark Yacavone 12-09-2016 11:38 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Don (Post 521920)
Why not just run heads up with no breakout?
Bob, I believe they are trying to keep performance as a major factor, but at the same time, giving the good drivers a chance to survive such a situation.
People are still going to hold a bit back, as they do now.

Actually, It's not a bad system, IMHO .Whoever thought it up deserves credit for thinking outside of the box.
Relax, some of you. I'm not advocating that NHRA should adopt this system.

ALMACK 12-09-2016 11:48 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bailey (Post 521923)
My recommendation would be to use IHRA Classes and Indexes. You'll solve about 75% of problems, in advance, keeping the Older Carburetor cars separated from the Newer Fuel Injected cars. I would also combine sticks and autos into the same class.
I am in favor of using IHRA indexes to save confusion.
I cannot seeing one single NHRA racer not liking the idea of getting an extra 3 tenths advantage during qualifying.

However, keeping the carbed cars separate from the EFI cars may not work because NHRA has equivalent classes for the EFI cars.

Either way, I would enter my EFI T-Bird as an IHRA car because the factored hp is less in IHRA for the same combo, therefore less weight I have to tug around. :D

ALMACK 12-09-2016 11:53 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 521924)
Bob, I believe they are trying to keep performance as a major factor, but at the same time, giving the good drivers a chance to survive such a situation.
People are still going to hold a bit back, as they do now.

Actually, It's not a bad system, IMHO .Whoever thought it up deserves credit for thinking outside of the box.
Relax, some of you. I'm not advocating that NHRA should adopt this system.
I agree.
Whoever thought it up did a good job.

XSTOCKER 12-09-2016 01:34 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALMACK (Post 521928)
I agree.
Whoever thought it up did a good job.
Might make it more fun to watch for the spectators also.

SS3718 12-09-2016 04:57 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALMACK (Post 521926)
I am in favor of using IHRA indexes to save confusion.
I cannot seeing one single NHRA racer not liking the idea of getting an extra 3 tenths advantage during qualifying.

However, keeping the carbed cars separate from the EFI cars may not work because NHRA has equivalent classes for the EFI cars.

Either way, I would enter my EFI T-Bird as an IHRA car because the factored hp is less in IHRA for the same combo, therefore less weight I have to tug around. :D
Alan, I think many people will do exactly as you have said and will claim IHRA due to the beneficial factors etc. To keep it simple, I think it should be all NHRA factors unless your car ONLY fits an IHRA class (i.e. SS Production classes or Crate Motor).

On a separate note, I'm not sure I understand how "weight" will not be a technical requirement. Maybe someone can clarify!

In terms of the heads up, I think it could work. Basically, as long as you run your car within 0.10 of "wide open" at all times, you should be able to cover your "heads up dial-in". Bottom line, with this scenario, the faster car will most likely still win.

Jeff Niceswanger 12-09-2016 05:36 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 521905)
Jeff, Not sure you are reading it like I am.

Here's what I see:

One A/SA goes 10.60
Another one goes 10.50.
They meet..The dial-in is 10.40.
The slower one goes 10.50 ,with a good light.
The other one goes 10.39. He loses.
Brake (break) -out in effect.
Here's what I said .. So ...you run your car within 1 tenth of flat out in TT... Then you have that tenth in the bank for a heads- up runs .. correct ?...Interesting

I still think I'm thinking right .. I can go 9. 60 in GT/FA Flat out ... So I bag a tenth and set up for a 9.70.... Then if I draw a car that has been running 9,80.s all day... The dial in will be 9,60.. He would have to pick up 2 tenths and I'll only have to pick up one,,,correct ?... Of course there is that pesky breakout ...
Right? ..

SS3718 12-09-2016 05:41 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 521944)
Here's what I said .. So ...you run your car within 1 tenth of flat out in TT... Then you have that tenth in the bank for a heads- up runs .. correct ?...Interesting

I still think I'm thinking right .. I can go 9. 60 in GT/FA Flat out ... So I bag a tenth and set up for a 9.70.... Then if I draw a car that has been running 9,80.s all day... The dial in will be 9,60.. He would have to pick up 2 tenths and I'll only have to pick up one,,,correct ?... Of course there is that pesky breakout ...
Right? ..
I'm with you! That's the way I would race it!

btrc 12-09-2016 05:41 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALMACK (Post 521926)
I am in favor of using IHRA indexes to save confusion.
I cannot seeing one single NHRA racer not liking the idea of getting an extra 3 tenths advantage during qualifying.

However, keeping the carbed cars separate from the EFI cars may not work because NHRA has equivalent classes for the EFI cars.


We run both IHRA and NHRA but do not have the advantage of the .3 easier index in IHRA because we have one of the dreaded new cars, even though ours is pretty much a stock combo. In fact, it is backwards NHRA FS/H - 11.50, IHRA DD/FIA - 11.30 We do get to take 165 lbs. out in IHRA but we can't get it out anyway so we don't bother. In the end qualifying, unless you are #1, doesn't mean a whole lot.

Jeff Niceswanger 12-09-2016 07:17 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SS3718 (Post 521945)
I'm with you! That's the way I would race it!
Sounds kind of neat. you agree Nick? Different anyways ......

denbreeden 12-09-2016 09:57 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
I stopped by the NMCA booth today and talked with Kurt and Rollie, both very nice to talk to. However they let me know that as of now the 2008 and up cars won't be allowed to run NMCA because of comments from some of the racers. The supercharged cars can run the FSC class but us NA cars are left out. I understand a lot of racers with older cars don't like the new stuff, I get that. I grew up with the muscle cars and still have my 68 GTX. The new cars are in separate classes now, there are no heads up with older cars so what is the complaint now? If you only want to run with the older cars why not run N/SS? If any of the COPO, Drag Pak or Cobra Jet owners want to run the combo series you had better email NMCA this weekend as they are making a final decision this coming week. I'll hop off my soapbox now.

Dennis Breeden

Mark Yacavone 12-09-2016 10:54 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 521944)
Here's what I said .. So ...you run your car within 1 tenth of flat out in TT... Then you have that tenth in the bank for a heads- up runs .. correct ?...Interesting

I still think I'm thinking right .. I can go 9. 60 in GT/FA Flat out ... So I bag a tenth and set up for a 9.70.... Then if I draw a car that has been running 9,80.s all day... The dial in will be 9,60.. He would have to pick up 2 tenths and I'll only have to pick up one,,,correct ?... Of course there is that pesky breakout ...
Right? ..
Right. ..but not sure it can be technically called a heads -up run.
Carry on...

Ed Wright 12-09-2016 11:40 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norton (Post 521913)
My recollections of the dark, dim past of Stock racing suggest that there was once a time when the dial-in for every car was the national record BUT we were allowed to run a dime under the record without breaking out. I'll bet that Mark remembers those days (unless the whole scenario was the result of that extra shot of Jack from last night). It may seem to be an archaic methodology but we had some good racing without all the drama of 1000' shutoffs, packing in extra weight, and sandbagging the ladder.

c
Much better racing back then. Hardly ever saw a break out, ditto brake lights.

SS3718 12-10-2016 12:23 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 521958)
Sounds kind of neat. you agree Nick? Different anyways ......
I'd like to give it a try!

However, not sure if my car would be allowed based on Mr. Breeden's comments. If his N/A Drag Pak doesn't fit the class, not sure my N/A Cobra Jet motor will either. Only difference is my car is older!

Larry Hill 12-10-2016 08:34 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
When possible we will give them a try.

denbreeden 12-10-2016 10:41 AM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
[QUOTE=SS3718;521976]I'd like to give it a try!

However, not sure if my car would be allowed based on Mr. Breeden's comments. If his N/A Drag Pak doesn't fit the class, not sure my N/A Cobra Jet motor will either. Only difference is my car is older![/QUOTE

Nick,

Send Rollie and Gene an email at NMCA and tell them you would like to run the combo. Based on what was talked about your GT car wouldn't be allowed either.

Thanks,

Dennis

ALMACK 12-10-2016 01:27 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denbreeden (Post 521963)
I stopped by the NMCA booth today and talked with Kurt and Rollie, both very nice to talk to. However they let me know that as of now the 2008 and up cars won't be allowed to run NMCA because of comments from some of the racers. The supercharged cars can run the FSC class but us NA cars are left out. I understand a lot of racers with older cars don't like the new stuff, I get that. I grew up with the muscle cars and still have my 68 GTX. The new cars are in separate classes now, there are no heads up with older cars so what is the complaint now? If you only want to run with the older cars why not run N/SS? If any of the COPO, Drag Pak or Cobra Jet owners want to run the combo series you had better email NMCA this weekend as they are making a final decision this coming week. I'll hop off my soapbox now.

Dennis Breeden
Wow !
Sorry to hear that Dennis.

As you pointed out, all the N/A FS cars are in their own classes now , so I also cannot see where that would be a problem to include you guys.

I do not currently have a FS car right now, but have been eyeballing a combo for a future build.

I'll send a message to the NMCA today regarding this.

denbreeden 12-10-2016 02:17 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Thanks Alan. Best of luck on the Mustang!

Dennis

MR DERBY CITY 12-10-2016 06:06 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Just wondering if they made a determination regarding wheelie bars, heard SANTA was bringing some for Capt Jacks wagon this XMAS.....

HandOverFist 12-10-2016 10:14 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 522024)
Just wondering if they made a determination regarding wheelie bars, heard SANTA was bringing some for Capt Jacks wagon this XMAS.....
Preliminary says no changes for NHRA/IHRA allowed modifications with the exception of fuel/weight checks...good to go.

ALMACK 12-30-2016 10:20 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 522024)
Just wondering if they made a determination regarding wheelie bars, heard SANTA was bringing some for Capt Jacks wagon this XMAS.....
I was just reading the rules they posted on their site and I do not see any rule against wheelie bars.

It does say that the NMCA will set their own class indexes for each combination and they remain in effect for the entire 2017 season.

Their site:

http://www.nmcadigital.com/dl/rules/prelim/sssc.pdf

HandOverFist 12-30-2016 11:08 PM
Re: Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017
 
"All NHRA Safety rules will be in effect.
No modifications, whic
h alter the car from factory stock,
are permitted unless they are specifically allowed in NHRA / IHRA rules, or as authorized by the
NMCA rules committee."


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