Tru start poll Division 6
 

So this is a simple poll for Div 6 Stock and Super Stock to get a feel of percentage of for or against. Not looking for all the pissing and moaning about it. So here is how I am going to do it. Only Div 6 competitors on this years points list so 109 people. If you competed in both stock and super stock you only get one vote. I am only counting for or against, once you vote I cross your name off the list. I am not keeping track of which way everybody votes just total votes. You can PM me or text if you have my number or email. you can post your vote in this thread if you don't care if people know how you vote as long as your name is with it. I will post results when I get over half the votes but will keep tallying for awhile. So lets see what D6 comes up with. Thanks everybody.

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James, good luck with the poll. It will be interesting to see the outcome.

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Thanks for putting this together - I sent you a message.


Cody Lane
601
SS/BS

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I am FOR Tru-Start

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I would like to see Tru-start used.

Brian Weber

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That would be a negatory for me.

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I am a YES for True Start

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I'll go with Peter Biondo & Kyle Seipel.........

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For

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For

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I can't vote yet, but I would never skip a race because of the way the tree was set up. I'm in for anything that makes the sport better in the eyes if the majority of racers.

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I don't often race... but when I do, I prefer the Tru Start.


Allan

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I'm for Tru Start. I've been the faster car and the slower, but in favor of it either way.

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I am against, it is an advantage for a faster car. I completely understand slower cars wanting Tru-start but I could not imagine a faster car being in favor of it.

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I agree...

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I am obviously for TruSTART and I AM typically the faster car/ chaser.

There will always be the finish line (chaser) advantage to being the faster car and that reason alone is incentive enough for me to continue being the faster car. I don't think anyone would argue that point regardless of if you are running Stock, Top Sportsman, or a Bracket car.

TruSTART simply fixes one starting line system deficiency (in a handicapped scenario) and will lead to long term health of the sport (along the same lines on when it made the sport healthier when we separated door cars and dragsters in our first Spring Fling). Over the past 7 years, I watched the bracket race market change for the better in front of my own eyes and the door car separation had alot to do with that. Encouraging (not discouraging) lower budget participation.

Kyle and I (and Compulink) had alot to lose when we introduced this new concept at our Spring Fling races in 2016 as we were now mixing in a new/ different concept with an already successful race. It was a race where we didn't need more cars; there was very little upside from that perspective versus the downside risk involved.

The bottom line was that we believed in it (along with believing in Brockmeyer from Compulink) enough to take that risk and the racers LOVED IT. I am not talking keyboard racers or "on paper"... I am talking real life racers who actually raced with it.

It is already being installed in tracks throughout the country and similar to cross-talk and auto-start, I believe it will spread and I really hope it does. But if for some reason it doesn't, I am perfectly fine in doing it at our Spring Fling events because its something I believe in.

With this being said, everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion and alot of good points have been made on both sides. If an overall vote was taken (in all classes including the Summit Bracket Race Series), I believe it would be 70% for Tru-START. More importantly, if racers raced on it for 3 or 4 days in a row and then voted on it, I believe the vote would be at least 80% for Tru-START.

Peter Biondo

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Y'all gotta quit saying the faster car has the advantage when chasing its bad for my psyche! I'm telling you I have the advantage, you got to catch me!!!!!!!!

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Against, We win more being chased so not sure if there is an advantage.
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Some of you egotistical, selfish racers and wantabees continue to spew whats best for your own agenda...How about whats good for the sport in general ? I don`t have a dog in this fight any more but tru-start is LONG overdue

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Against!

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I am FOR Tru start and have been from the beginning. We don't have a rule where the first car that breaks out loses, so same rule should apply on the starting line. Either way, it will not change the way I race.


Brad B

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Ok I have 32% of the division Stock and SS response for the Tru Start. Most responses were from stockers, so lets here from the SS crowd. Thanks to every one that has responded here on Classracer, PMing me and answering my texts. I still need more responses so if you know some one make sure they have gotten a hold of me. One thing I have learned doing this poll is not every body knows the facts about Tru Start. If Peter could explain how it works and state the facts here that would be great. I started this thread to be impartial and not push my own opinion but I think the facts how it works to give every body the facts. I wasn't limiting the discussion to just Div 6 just the voting for this poll. Thanks to every body for the responses. More to come.

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You mean you're only supposed post a vote...nothing else? Hmmmmm.

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Yes, that would be great James if someone could explain exactly how it works. I thought I understood it just addressed the starting line issue, but the more posts I see the more confused I am about the entire concept.

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Ditto. I hit the Web for better details and found out CompuLink is working on an Infrared Wall to replace the current beams. We will start the clocks with the front most part of our cars rather than the front wheels.No good write up on Tru Start with details on what the lights and scoreboard do though...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpNXr5pGhhw

If this is all it is doing it will be great...anything further would just complicate needlessly.

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The basis of Tru-START is to have the same starting line "rules" in a handicapped race as would be in a heads up race where in a double red-light situation the WORST red would lose.

The way TruSTART works is pretty simple

In a double red situation, The Worst Red Light Loses... Period.
Regardless of if its a handicapped race, a heads up race, and regardless of the dial ins.

If Driver "A" is -002 Red and Driver "B" is -.018 Red; Driver "A" would be the winner regardless of which driver actually left the starting line first.

Visually, Tru-START was designed not to show the red light or scoreboard win light until both drivers leave the starting line. At that point the appropriate red-light(s) will be shown and winning scoreboard/ win-light will light up.

Below is a video Kyle and I did describing it before we used it at our Spring Fling events in 2016. The feedback we received post race was overwhelmingly positive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpNXr5pGhhw

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Thanks for the info Peter. Seems very simple after reading your description of Tru-Start. The racers I have talked to are divided about the use and mostly from not understanding the system completely. I hope all the local racers involved in James Boyce's poll will read your post.

I may not be a racer anymore, but I am involved in the sport locally. I help with the combo races held each year at Pacific Raceways. I have come to know many of the racers and I think we all get along just fine.

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In a heads up race, the worst red light is also the first & losing, right? Same as a handicap pairing now. Am I missing something?

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So is this only for div 6?

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the poll - yes.

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So how will this reflect the other divisions ? without taking their own vote?

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Thanks for explaining Peter. That is exactly the way I thought it worked and see no down side to it. Unfortunately many stories get embellished as time goes on confusing the true intent.

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Peter: Thank you. When I get my car converted, I'm in.

Would the RTs on the scoreboard read
LEFT -0.002 WINNER
RIGHT -0.018

Micky: James is seeking opinions of D6 drivers affected by this. James and Jim Storms run the Stock/SuperStock Combo series out here.

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Why would there be RTs on the scoreboard in an elimination round?

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For Tru-Start

since the car that breaks out the most loses,a similar rule should apply on the starting line .

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Yes, I believe so, Ed
In eliminations , when a heads up run occurs, the computer sees a different segment (for lack of the proper term) of the program.. Index, instead of dial-ins, no breakout in effect. I assume when in that mode, it won't see T-S at all.
However, in the case of different class, same exact dial in.... Let's say 1st car leaves early with a -.002, and then the 2nd car leaves 2 tenths later, obviously green, the 1st car's red light won't come on until the second car leaves the beam.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Peter.

Really ,this is all you need to know:

The Worst Red Light Loses... Period.

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If TruStart determines a winner, it should show on the scoreboard and how. We have very good anouncers but some of them speak gibberish.

I ran bracket at the tracks that James and Jim run the Combo. I always saw my dial change to my RT on green (or red). I think it flips back to my dial after that, but I'm generally busy with stuff at the time. CJ in the rearview and such...

I don't want to get off topic, but one of the things about modern drag racing that confuses new people is a lack of winner info from the scoreboard. On a breakout it gives dials and ET, but not the math that determines how the second car to the line won. If it flashed 10.30 / 10.28 / -0.02 all the info would be up for the fans. Might help with announcer code "Stevens dead on 9 ! Johnson breaks out by a thou !"

Scuse me. I'm a data junky.

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Dale-

The scoreboards will function exactly as they do now. The only difference is with TruSTART the appropriate win-light wouldn't be on until both drivers leave the starting line.

The way it is without TruSTART (currently), the race is automatically (instantly) over when the slower car leaves with a foul start. With TruSTART, the timing system waits for the faster car to leave the starting line, and at that point it determines the winner and turns on the appropriate win-light in a red light (or double redlight) situation.

Hope this helps.

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Double red heads up
right -0.010 W
left -0.012 L

Double red handicap (current)
right leaves first -0.010 L
left leaves second -0.012 W

Double red handicap (TruStart)
right leaves first -0.010 W
left leaves second -0.012 L

Handicap becomes as fair as heads up.