67 4 dr hemi belvedere
 

Saw this on NHRA stock classification guide. Could not find this in my 1967 Plymouth parts catalog. Does such a thing exist?

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Yes in 1966 and 1967 only. There are know surviving examples of Belvedere and Coronet 4 doors. Also previously know ones that have vanished. There was one at the Garlits museum, maybe still there.

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I THOUGHT that there were only two 4 door Hemi cars, both 66 Dodge Coronets. Some combinations appear in the guide that could have been built, even though they never actually were. I don't believe there ever was a 67 Plymouth Hemi station wagon built upon the assembly line, even though at least one was raced in NHRA competition. Mopar did the engineering and supplied a shipping weight. We need Paul Cresine back for verification.

Greg

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I remember seeing a 66 or 67 Hemi Belvedere 4 door at the local hang out about 70 or 71. Can't remember all the details, but it was a plain jane car with dog dish hubcaps. Beige in color, if I remember correctly.

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I think Gaylon Govier found a couple in the paperwork while researching the files. I know in the 66 Parts Manual one of the pictures in the body section is a Coronet Wagon with a 426 Hemi. Of course those are illustrations. The 70-71 parts manual are combined years and I can assure you there a couple of things put in there just for NHRA, but I ain't sayin what. And maybe they existed. In 1969 the 440 Dart and Cuda were never offered to the general public dealers. Nobody was more intuned with the performance than us. But they made them. There are several blueprint errors from that era, but I guess now they are fact. After that many years it don't matter. I still have the parts books back to 1960.

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In the past many specs were sent to NHRA pre-production. There is still a 1970 Monte Carlo convertible shown in the classguide.

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Gary Ostrich raced a 66-67 Plymouth wagon in Super Stock. Don't know if it was produced that way. Al Corda would know.

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COMING TO A TRACK NEAR YOU!!! on open trailer to boot


Picked this four door Deluxe puppy up yesterday. Going to make a hemi stocker. Love the paint but NHRA said car must be "presentable". How about that FBI trailer hitch. Phish

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I have a 66 Belvedere "Satellite" 2 dr hard top hemi if anyone has any interest.

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There were only two 4 door Hemi cars, both ended up in Wichita (go figure) back in the 70's. I rebuilt the engine in the car the Garlits has in his museum. It was neat to talk to him about that car at PRI several years ago, he claims he still drives it from time to time. The car had all original parts and the engine had about 166k miles as I remember and there was very minimal wear, we even went back with the original bore size and the crank just needed polishing. There were several strange markings stamped around on the block and with a little research it was determined that there were special bearing sizes (plus or minus .001) for each type of stamping. Cant remember all the details but it was amazing how well that Hemi held up for that many miles, back when most engines didn't make it past 100k.

Tracy

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Currently, there are four known '66 Hemi Coronet 4-door Sedans, 3 Deluxe models, 1 440 Model.

1 - Red, tan interior automatic car.
1- White, tan interior automatic car.
1- Bronze, tan interior automatic car.
1- Blue, blue interior 4-speed car. This is the 440 Model.

There is a '66 Hemi Plymouth Belvedere II 4-door that is known out of the New Jersey area. The car is believed to be long gone. There are numerous detailed photographs of the car from the 1960's/70's, but the VIN is not known at this time.

There is also a '67 Hemi Belvedere 4-door in Finland. It is the only known factory built '67 Hemi 4-door car at this time.

The original owner (ex-Dodge Dealer) of my '66 Hemi Coronet, claims that when he bought my car at the Dealer's auction, there were 3 '66 Hemi Coronet 4-doors there, all white/green interior, 4-speed cars. Supposedly one went to Town & Country Dodge in Eastern Ohio, where the drivetrain was removed and the car sold as used with a 273/318 in it.

Until someone sits down and goes through the Chrysler IBM Card Archives, the true number of '66-67 Hemi 4-doors will be unknown.

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The one I worked on was white, I thought it had a blue or maybe green interior but I have worked on a lot of cars so??? That car was purchased by Dave Betthauser from an older gentleman that was supposed to be the original owner, I think from out west so maybe the Washington car. Dave restored muscle cars, particularly Mopars, and was very fanatical with his research. He was adamant that only two of those cars were built, at least from the factory anyway.

The red car belonged to native Wichitan Floyd Cline of "Pappy's Dyno" fame and was sold many years ago in need of restoration.

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For what my input is worth, I agree 100 percent with Tracy. Just for fun, some years ago, I made a little project out of running down the then-mythical Hemi 4-door sedans. Tracy is absolutely right, there were a total of 2 built, both '66s. If memory serves, one was red, the other beige or white. Garlits has the beige/white one and at the time of my "investigation" the red one was being restored, in California. If Steve's information is correct, it is truly amazing. Whether two or five in total, they are beyond value.

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gordy rhode in wausau wis has one.

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I want my $700 bucks back. Wrong battery and it smokes... Phish

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We'll give you $725, it is just those incorrect shim thickness battery cozy's messing everything up!

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I really beg to differ with some of you gentlemen, BUT I was a Car Salesman in Milwaukee, WI in 1966--1968, and I sold a lot of Hemi cars , and we also got a lot of the Factory Screw ups from the zone office when they saw the job we were doing on Hi-Performance cars, at North Avenue Chrysler Plymouth, on 29th & North Ave ! There was at least 4 Hemi 4 doors in the Doge line and 3 in the Plymouth line ! And regardless of what was supposedly a rumor we did sell a Hemi Wagon ! That was bought by a man from Racine,Wis, and turned into a race car which at the time was tubbed,a cage, it was also a 4/speed, a C/MP class ! Back then the car was running in the low 10.Teens ! I believe that car is now in Elkton Minnesota , owned by Fred Engelhart ! I also think a gentleman name Lee Smith from Illinois ran the wagon ! This is a real test of the memory of a 78 year old mind ! And I do know this to be for real ! ! That's also the reason for me to sell my Car !...John

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Mister Stasko posted just above this about a Powder Blue Dodge 4dr Hemi car, you might want to check if that Blue Dodge came from the Midwest, as I had a Powder Blue Coronet II,W/Blue interior, that I used as a Demo at the North Ave Dealership ! And it was a 4sp Hemi Car !... John

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The blue car is in Minnesota last I knew. It was an EE1 Dark Blue Metallic car, with all of it's original paperwork. It's the only known 440 Model 4-door with a Hemi.

Here is the bronze automatic car. Sold new in Canada, restored in Ohio.

Re: 67 4 dr hemi belvedere
 

the brown coronett is likely the one i saw a few times in the 70's /80's . Once at barrie auto flea market . was bought new by a vet in southern ontario

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The Powder Blue Hemi car was purchased from the dealer was sold to Edward Feldner, of Milwaukee, WI., who then moved to Southern California, it was a city in the neighbor hood around the Pomona area, then pulled the Hemi, and installed a 383 for the street car it became ! Last trace I have no idea ! The first part is also reality ! Old Age can be pretty accurate at times, like this !...John

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The light metallic blue 1966 Hemi Coronet 440 four door, factory 4 speed, and was a dealer order shipped new to Oswald Motors in Cloquet, Minnesota. The car has never left the state, and I have owned the car for 36 years. The car was a street racer and drag raced from day one, and I have most of the history for the car, except for who the first owner was. I also have all the documentation including the fender tag, broadcast sheet, IBM punch card, letter from Chrysler Historical Society, and Galen Govier decoding of the broadcast sheet.

As far as any Hemi Wagons built, I have my doubts. It may have been an option for a 1966 Coronet wagon, and noted in the NHRA classifications guides, but did Chrysler build one - doubtful. Gary Ostrich was a personal friend of mine, and he had told me his wagon was originally a 318, and the same goes for Lee Smiths Wagon. So if a Hemi Wagon was built.......................Like the 4 doors, it would be quite rare.

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I have a copy of a "Stock Engine Test" published by the GM Engineering Staff dated Oct. 17, 1966. The Forward to the report states "As part of the Stock Engine Test Program, a a 1966 Plymouth 426 cubic inch, Hemi-Head, 425 horsepower engine, as used in the Plymouth Belvedere I four door sedan, was tested in the Engineering Staff Test Department at the General Motors Technical Center". This report was an amazingly thorough dyno flog of this engine. The Forward goes on to state that the engine was removed from the car with 29 miles on the odometer, was run for 50 hours to break it in. The combustion chambers were cleaned and the valves lapped, and then it was tested on the dyno. Unfortunately there is no other information on the color, Vin number, or mention of what was done with the car when the test was completed. Interestingly the horsepower numbers were almost exactly the same a what the Engineering Street Hemi Development Report published by Chrysler showed, And it was significantly more than the published 425 Hp. There must have been a four door on a showroom floor that GM bought to satisfy their curiosity.

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Actually, the '69 440 Dart GTS and 440 'Cuda were legit production cars that came out mid-year and offered to the general public (production figures indicate over 600 440 powered Dart GTS and over 30 440 'Cudas - {all autos} were produced). They weren't "package cars" and came with a full factory warranty and all street equipment. A brainchild of both Dick Maxwell and Tom Hoover (with the blessing of Bob Cahill), the 1969 440 Dart and 'Cuda were built right on the assembly line at Dodge Main (Hamtramck). Both Super Stock and Car Craft magazine ran road/drag tests on them back in the day. This package has been legal in Stock and Super Stock for decades, Now, the '68 440 Dart GTS, that's a slightly different animal simply due to low production figures that regulate it to Super Stock only.