Deep Staging, why not?
 

I think that NHRA should rethink it's position in regards to Deep Staging in Stock eliminator. This is the only way to guarantee an equal chance for some slower cars to compete. Soon all we're going to be seeing is full fledged super stocker in Stock.Yes I know, we already have that.lol

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

The best argument "for" deep staging is in the super categories, why does NHRA allow Super Street to use a .5 tree (like deep staging against a .4 tree) and S/G,S/C use a .4 tree. It's because the Super Street cars have to weight a lot more then the other two super classes. It's really not fare to the lower class Stock Eliminator cars not to be able to deep stage do to the weight to HP which makes it difficult to get a good consistent reaction time. I know that I'm going to hear from some of the lower class cars saying that they don't have a problem, but at my local track we are allowed to deep stage in all categories.
I personally bracket race a 2015 Corvette which has a pretty consistent high 1.80's 60' and I deep stage it to tighten up the reaction times to be competitive.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

Not this BS again. When I ran the gremlin I was in my sixties. Deep was allowed when I started. Didn't like it when it was banned but I worked at it and I think I did a fairly good job at leaving on a dead shallow stage. My car's 60' times were bttween 1.75 and 1.79 usually. If you can't cut a light shallow then you need a faster leaving car ($$$) or taking up curling for a sport.
Ask Jody if not going deep has hurt his ability to compete.

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

Ha..More anecdotal evidence, Eddie boy.
Make sure, if NHRA calls you up for your thoughts, that you tell them that you Ed Fernandez, doesn't need to deep stage ..Therefore nobody else does either.
Okay buddy?

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

Mike Jeffrey has probably one of the slowest leaving cars in Stock and can get ahold of the tree pretty good shallow staging. All it takes is practice, practice, practice.

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

Sorry, that's not correct.
If you are looking at the tree wrong , you can practice till hell freezes over , and you'll never be consistent and good at it.

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

Mark....just practice leaving when the second bulb goes out...lol.....Joe Mocci

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

Mark you are correct. You have to find that sweet spot on the tree. If you don't leave at the same spot consistently then what's the point.

Also, I have seen several people use a shorter front tire to help with the reaction time. That might be a crutch, but it works for them.

Adjusting front tire pressure helps, also.

Just my 2 cents.

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

I would prefer the question to be, "only the stage bulb is required to race. Make it like the pros, only the stage bulb is required for you to be staged. The prestage, original intent was to let you know you are getting close to the stage position. Don't call it deep staging, where you got to put it on your window, to make people wait on you to roll in. Make it so only the stage light needs to be on to race. Courtesy staging is not courteous, get rid of the courtesy staging, and bring some drama back to the starting line. Steve Williams S/G

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Nailed it !!

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

It's a breath of fresh air to know that someone else knows what the staging lights are there for! Let people place their car anywhere on the starting line and let the race begin.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

Dead horse

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

Can anyone tell us why deep staging was eliminated?

The stage light is the actual starting line so what does the pre stage light have to with where you position yourself on the starting line? Pre stage light is just informing you that your close to the starting line. Has nothing to do with the race from starting line to finish line. I have no dog in this. Tried it didnt like it and adjusted. Just looking for a education on how and why.

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

Sure.I can tell you, Jeff.

First ,it was banned in the .90 classes early on. Some of the Super Street cars felt it would help their RT's. The confusion was that , even though most had deep on the window, sometimes the starter wouldn't notice it. Other times the racer in the other lane didn't notice it, and would be up hard on the converter while the starter was holding the tree for the deep guy.
I believe IHRA was first, but then NHRA joined in shortly thereafter, to just ban the practice. It was the easy route to take at that time.

Fast forward about 10 years, when several S/SS drivers were DS-ing and winning races.

So,
#1, Some of the faster or harder leaving car drivers started raising a stink about it, even though some didn't really understand what it was all about. I believe this is true, even to this day.

2, Again there was confusion between the starter and the other driver, as to who was intending to go deep .

3, I will admit there were a few deep guys who thought they had extra time to stage because they had deep on the window, and then took every second of it that they could.

4, There were a few shallow staging jack offs that thought it was all a game, meant to screw up the other driver. They would do a short ,rolling burnout, and rush up there first, just to mess with the other driver.

NHRA took the easy route again , and took the pre -stage beam, that was put there for the racers' benefit, and turned it against them, to disqualify people who in their minds were stopping in the starting line beam... in the wrong place.

Re: Deep Staging, why not?
 

I agree with #1. Strange that some of the fast guys want to keep True start out of s/ss along with deep staging.