EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race Cars
 

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What a load of crap! How would the EPA know what somebody does with their own car after they buy it? If I was to buy another old Mustang, and did not register or insure it for "on road use", how would they know it was now a race car, or sitting out in the yard under a tree, or taken apart and scrapped? I wonder if this is supposed to affect only new cars, or any car, regardless of age. It could certainly affect the COPO, Cobra Jet, and Drag Pack MoPars if it applied to new cars, but then again, they are not titled for street use anyhow. If somebody takes their brand new Mustang, Camaro, or for that matter, a Prius, to the local drag strip for a Street Legal night, or weekend bracket race, does the act of using a bottle of shoe polish to put a number on the window constitute "converting a street car into a race car?"

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Time to get on the phone with your representatives and senators. Email works also.

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They will piggy back it on the back of something that is important to get it passed. that is the kind of Garbage that needs to be stopped. If something goes into law it should stand the test of standing alone, not hiding in the fine print of another law!!!

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There is a petition for signing:

https://www.change.org/p/u-s-house-o...edium=copylink

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This doesn't have to be voted on so it will not be attached to any other measure that gets voted on in Congress. This is purely a government-defined and enforced regulation that will be put into law by the EPA. This regulation will be just as binding as legislation that is voted on however and will be almost impossible to reverse if it becomes law. This is serious folks. This administration is quietly changing your American way of life by punishing you for your freedom and sovereignty in the name of stuff like "sustainability", "civil liberties", "social responsibility", the "green movement", etc. Get involved. Support SEMA. Write your congressional delegation. This is a regulation that will be put into effect June 2016 unless Congress stops it.

I have subscribed to the Congressional Review via email since 1996. Along with a report of the activities of Congress, I receive a summary list of all the new regulations imposed by governmental agencies that have authority over so many activities within our society. During the Clinton and Bush administrations, the list of new regulations was commonly 15 to 20 pages long. Since this administration has taken office, the report has grown to 500 to as high as 1100 pages of new regulations PER MONTH. And about 60% of the regulations include punitive actions described and authority given to unregulated agencies that can include fines, jail time and confiscation of property. Get scared and get mad. Something will have to be done.

Get involved and follow this issue. Their most effective tactic is to continue to hammer the issue until they get their way. It will not be a victory to simply stop this action. It will come up again and again and again. We will have to constantly fight.

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This is the most important message of all. Contact your congress men and women, and keep contacting them. This affects not only racers, but manufacturers, chassis builders, etc. This is a huge overreach of your freedom.

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I will do my part.

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When the EPA manufactured its own definition of "navigable waters" to turn your backyard into an EPA-regulated "wetlands" if there was a puddle there, nobody noticed and nobody cared. Now there's this.

A government big enough and powerful enough to do things you want is big and powerful enough to do things you don't want. This is what big government progressives have wrought - both R's and D's. It's well past time to WAKE UP. This is why politics, principles and returning to a constitutionally-limited government matter. This is why it matters to fight for what's right, even when you're not part of an afflicted group. As drag racers, we are a minority segment of the population. Voters weren't there to fight all of the other government overreach and abuse, so who do we think is going to fight for *us*?

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What does this mean for cars that are already "converted?"


I sure do hope they get enough people showing their concern to keep this from happening. I don't usually get worked up about stuff like this, and the article doesn't go into enough detail to know exactly how far they are trying to go, but this one really upsets me.


Every day, I wish more and more that I'd been born 10 years sooner...

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NHRA as the leading sanctioning body in drag racing should be leading this battle on the drag racing front. SEMA will be leading it for the high performance manufacturing industry. They should have the credibility to get the right people involved to get a stop to this issue. If this passes that would be the end of our sport.

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Here is a link to senate and house congressional committees:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/committees/

Contact everyone you can in government about this insane "issue."

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no wonder the EPA - FEMA and others bought so much ammunition over the last few years, looks like they will need it

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Great example. Michael. I work as a special consultant to the Commissioner of State Lands for the state of Arkansas and the biggest issue we are dealing with now is the overreach of federal control over land and waterways that belong to the people of the state of Arkansas by federal law and the constitution. And the overreach is done with the swipe of a pen by people in charge of agencies that have no accountability, no checks or balances and nobody to watch over them with authority to stop or even question what they do. The EPA declared 156 miles of waterways in Arkansas environmentally challenged last year because of a couple of supposedly "threatened" freshwater mussel species that live there. However, a study only three years ago by the biology department of the University of Arkansas declared the population of the very mollusks claimed by the EPA as larger and healthier than at any time in the past 100 years. After a year of doggedly chasing the source of the ruling by the EPA, we have not been able to even find out where the ruling was started or anyone who claims responsibility much less find any substantiating study that supports the judgment. It's as though somebody just decided that the federal government wanted to grab control and made it up. Look up an initiative called "Waters of the United States" (WOTUS). It sounds benign and well meaning for the sake of clean water for the population, but the outcome will be federal control of every puddle of water that is sustained for over two days. That means that the standing water in your yard after a heavy rain comes under the control of the US Government.


I apologize for the rant, but they will be insidious when it comes to taking away our rights to race. They won't touch NASCAR or the pro levels of drag racing (businesses big enough to pay substantial taxes) but they will destroy local dirt track racing and most local drag racing.

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I just sent emails to my senators and representatives on this topic. This is beyond ridiculous. I cannot even fathom how these people think. I will continue fighting this topic for sure.

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Good point. If Mr. Clifford wants to help the sportsman racer - this would be a great place for NHRA to start.

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For some of my "lifelong Democrat" friends on Facebook who also love race cars... Please note from which direction these attacks on your liberty usually come from.

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Not that it pertains to drag racing,
but will this also include the dirt track guys?
We have a bunch of pure and bomber style dirt track racers around here.
This is crazy!
What is next?

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It would apply to any race car built from an OEM body, which would apply to bracket racers, Super Street, Stock, Super Stock, Comp Super Modified, COPO, Drag Pack and CobraJet cars.

It will also effect the aftermarket companies too, including tuners.

Just remember that POTUS told the military and the whole world our biggest threat is climate change and global warming!

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I've been over the original documents several times as best an my mind will allow. My take is that this is a proposal to prohibit tampering with the emission on any new vehicle beginning with model year 2018. You would not be able to legally put a pre emissions engine in an regulation year and older body and no new emission controlled engines in older pre emission bodies.

The automotive business has been after something like this for a while now. It's an extension of their attempts to apply copyright law to people who tune their own EFI systems.

Here's a TEE for you...http://www.zazzle.com/i_void_warrant...61179862162575

Or a decal...http://www.rdecals.com/#!product-pag...5-9900df2c16ff

I'm sure Michael Beard can do better ;-)

Dale

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Here, this may help

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/09/e...sema-official/

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I ought not mention this here BUT ..

I am very familiar with EPA classifications and shipping restrictions -

What may be a surprise is that they can actually differ by state

What is restricted in California may not be in South Carolina.

That upset my apple cart when doing a system for a company here in California

In general they are similar but do not have to be exactly the same - the states can impose even stricter regulations


Ron

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The new language reads as follows:

EPA is proposing in 40 CFR 1037.601(a)(3) to clarify that the Clean Air Act
does not allow any person to disable, remove, or render inoperative (i.e., tamper with) emission controls on a certified motor vehicle for purposes of competition. An existing provision in 40 CFR 1068.235 provides an exemption for non-road engines converted for competition use. This provision reflects the explicit exclusion of engines used solely for competition from the CAA definition of “nonroad engine”. The proposed amendment clarifies that this part 1068 exemption does not apply for motor vehicles.

The way the proposed bill reads, it says that the exemption given in 40 CFR 1068.235 no longer applies to motor vehicles. In a nutshell, you cannot modify any motor vehicle for racing or motorsports use.

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read that it's even MORE unemployment...:(

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After a quick read, it appears the EPA is attempting to rescind an existing rule that allows for "nonroad engine" competition use. This amendment or attempt to rescind the exemption is supposedly meant to phase in from 2018 through 2027. EPA rules generally suffer from lack of funding and enforcement. But, most of the controversial EPA rules spend decades in Federal and State courts. SEMA may be taking the lead in this campaign because it is an authentic 501(c) 6, unlike some other 501(c) 6 organizations out there. This proposed rule hasn't a snow ball's chance in hell of ever becoming an enforceable rule. It's discriminatory on it's face because it goes after the automobiles and does not include all the other motorsports activities. And of course, does any one here really want to mess with NASCAR? Keep on racing boys and girls.

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.aaand what the epa spilled in western Colorado..
epa is a joke! and a bad one at that.

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The new TV deal will catch the eye of some tree huger and sunoco E85 is what will be the only thing that will pass fuel check . Look at nascar . Just sent my e-mails , pass it on to your car hobby friends and motor cycles etc too .

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Currently under 40 cfr 1068.235 you can remove/disable the emission equipment on an engine used just for competition. This proposal would prohibit disabling/removing emissions equipment from a certified vehicle for competition. If it isn't a certified emissions engine or came from the factory without emissions equipment. I don't think it would be affected.

Text of 40 cfr 1068.235:
Cornell University Law School:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/40/1068.235


Dale

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Almost 31,000 have signed the petition, if you have not, please do so! That is a pretty good turnout for being up for only one day.

#5457

Curt Rees

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It made the press, just not the mainstream "press"....

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/...s/?intcmp=hpff

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An effective, calm, intellectual friend of automotive people is The National Motorist’s Association:

https://www.motorists.org/

Long ago, they replaced the old “AAA” as the motorist’s best friend. (The AAA morphed into nothing more than an insurance company with a liking for all things government has to offer.)

NMA is already on the subject issue. Supporting them would not be a mistake.

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Interesting article that was linked on another board.

http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/02/...to-a-race-car/

It seems that the meat of the regulation has already been in place, but there is a new clarification that swapping a different engine into the vehicle does not exempt it from Clean Air Act policy.

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I just signed the petition, and I hope that everyone who reads this forum does the same.

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Our vendors and suppliers are stepping up and getting the word out about this. I've gotten several emails about the petitions, I'm sure most people in the business have as well.

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How many more days until that POS of a president we have is out of office! Damn

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Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970 (July 9, 1970) - message from President Nixon to Congress about reorganization plans to establish EPA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)

:)

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No, the EPA Didn't Just Outlaw Your Race Car http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...ctually-means/ via @Road

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Please refer back to the post regarding EPA's definition of "navigable waters". DO NOT TRUST THEM. PERIOD. The idea that the media just rolled over when the EPA said, "Oh, no, trust us! It totally doesn't say exactly what it says!" They are liars. The language of the regulations is publicly available and plainly states:

Source: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-201...2015-15500.pdf



Even the article you reference quotes the EPA saying:
Give them an inch, and they'll take every mile.

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If you like your race car,you can keep your race car.