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The upcoming NHRA open event at Toronto Motorsports Park will feature all of the traditional Stock and Super Stock classes as well as the IHRA only classes such as Crate Motor Stockers, Pure Stockers, Stock GT, Production Super Stock ,ect. This is good for the IHRA cars up that way. Is NHRA testing the waters? Check it out on Drag Race Central.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...UMMIT#indextop

Jeff Ross

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This is awesome!
Good Forward Thinking!
This will help IHRA because more people will build cars.
Like McDonalds having Breakfast all day long.

Dan

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Here is a novel idea, build the car per NHRA rules and you can race at any drag strip in the world.

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"The event will be a double race weekend - one event on Saturday and a second on Sunday. The race entry fee will cover both races. There will be a track operated test and tune on Friday."

I wonder if it will be a double grade point? Might be worth the drive then.


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Wow, thanks for the info MJ. Any race track in the world!!!

I'm going to plan out my schedule right now, hmmmm lets see, Churchill Downs would be fun, What do you say about you and The Captain coming out too.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA and coming down the stretch

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The announcement isn't really clear. Would the IHRA class cars be inspected and classed as NHRA cars or would NHRA be calling IHRA classes to the lanes?

Would IHRA cars have to cover their Association stickers?

Pure Stock running in Stock Elim? Crate Motor cars in SS/GT?

If they lumped everything IHRA and NHRA considered Stock together and used their respective index times, the car count could be good.

For the last couple of years the tracks in Washington State east of the mountains have been IHRA while the western tracks are NHRA. It's not that much of a haul.

Dale

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Ron, I can clearly see that you off your Meds again. LOL...interesting that you mention Churchill Downs, the home of the most Exciting 2 minutes in sports. I drive by that historic track as many as 3 times a week....but I have never been to the Derby.

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Both Walla Walla & Spokane have switched back to NHRA & Renegade never switched from N.

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I did...Called Pure Stock...which are older NHRA Rules !!
Now I can go to Cuba, or Japan, or Sweden or England !!
It is nice to see NHRA coming around !

D

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Could have built an NHRA car to start with, and always been able to run both.

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Make sure if you're running AA/stock to claim IHRA.... Better weight break and index.

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I built a Stocker.
NHRA has to catch up with reality.
D

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x 2!

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Glad to see NHRA is receptive to the idea of letting the IHRA "other" Stockers run.

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Just sayin', the SSSSA has been doing this for over 8 years! You don't think it's because of dwindling car counts do you? Maybe they are finally realizing the Sportsman racers pay the bills! Jim

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And what reality would that be?

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Jim Wahl has it exactly right...Entry Fees !
Plus we bring family and buy products at the track.

IHRA has done a great job expanding Stock.
Think it was damn smart adding Pure Stock, Crate Motors and GT.

If/when NHRA adds these Classes to race the car counts and attendance will increase in both Racing organizations.

Called Win - Win...!

That real enough?

Dan

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There are too many classes now, Dan. NHRA had Pure Stock once, more pure stock than what IHRA has now. Low car counts, like IHRA has, killed it.

You know what they say is like belly buttons, right? :-)

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At least on the nation event level NHRA has no problem filling their events. They have no need for adding a bunch more classes.

In the majority of the country IHRA is not a option. The only reason it is happening at this race is the track just switched sanctions. I do not expect to see this to be a trend.
When IHRA was in my area I raced with them some. But the didn't stick around. In my opinion unless you live in the right part of the country and you have a huge dislike for NHRA It is less than advisable to build a IHRA only class car. You limit your options both for racing and when it comes to selling the car should that time come.

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With all the hubbub. I bet you don't get 20 car combined. That's why there doing it.

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That was a NAVEL ATTACK !!

D

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YES limited in going to NHRA races yeah....got that!

SO what..there are the plethora of Independent S/SS races you could possibly want to compete in.
Still have choices.
Such as putting the car and trailer on AmTrack AutoTrain and run in IHRA Division 2 in Florida.
Hell all the races are with in 2 hours of each other from Orlando and 3 to WPB Moroso Raceway.

Run all the IHRA Division 1 which collaborate Division 3 and 9 races included.
Can attend the North Carolina IHRA races.

If NHRA is reading this...(HOPE)
It would behoove them to add IHRA Classes.

I get there maybe too many classes.
My Pure Stocker would fit under the Q or R Stock Index if the intent is to maintain NHRA's classification system.
Have no problem with that!

Would love a crack at CRUSHING other Q/SA cars heads up.:D
Just adds variety for the medium to lower class structure.

So many advantages and so little time..

D

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Dan Fahey, its great that you like your Pure Stocker, but you really need to look at the numbers. According to my 2015 Nitro Joe Stats book, last year a total of 13 Pure Stockers raced at IHRA 1/8th mile races, and a whopping 4 showed up at IHRA 1/4 mile events. And even THATS inflated, as you are shown 3 times, in 2 different 1/8th mile classes, as well as once in 1/4 mile. So out of a combined total of 17 Pure Stockers, you are counted as 3 of them. I think that you need to face reality if you think NHRA "needs" the oddball IHRA Stock classes. Combining all the IHRA "non traditional" Stock classes, including Pure Stock, Stock GT, and Crate Motor, there were a total of 68 cars at 1/8th mile events, and 41 cars at 1/4 mile events. Even ignoring that many of these cars are counted 2, 3, or more times, between class switching and running tracks of both distances, thats a total of 109 cars. In NHRA, B/SA and H/SA each have more cars than that. ALL the IHRA Stockers combined, 1/8th and 1/4 mile total 390 cars, NHRA had 1613 cars entered. NHRA may not be perfect, but the numbers don`t lie, or do you disagree?

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Build an NHRA legal car, and you can go run either or both.

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Most of the IHRA cars will fit a NHRA class with a simple motor change. If you want to run it make it work. I wanted to run both so I got a car that could run both.

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Roy McNeil...
I do disagree.
There are number of racers that would build Pure Stockers if NHRA would host them.
I get many emails stating that.

East coast are where most of the PSers are.
Westward none because NHRA dominates and tracks are days away from each other.
It would be easy to incorporate the PureStockDrags.com cars.
My argument goes for the GT and Crate Motor classes as well.
When Mike Beard created the Class Racers Meet in Ohio.
My company hosted the Pure Stock Challenge.
Had a great turnout and several heads up races.
Think 12-13 cars showed up.
Feel bad I could not sponsor it last year.

Not everyone sees the same solution like the Build a Stocker for both classes argument.
FWIW we have a really nice community of racers.

The sanctioning bodies need to accommodate us.
They need to vie for our business not treat us as a worn after thought!



D

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Many years ago NHRA had pure stockers. Car counts were about as bad as IHRA. They dropped them. There are so many classes now, I would not hold my breath for them to come back. Especially with how few IHRA has. No car count = no eliminator, or classes.

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Now don't go using facts again.......lol

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Incorrect, TMP has been an NHRA Track since 2011, their last year as an IHRA track was 2008 I believe. They spent 2009 and 2010 as an AHRA track until that blew up.

The honest truth is Western New York and Ontario is IHRA country, even though there are two sanctioned NHRA tracks up here, there arent a great deal of NHRA Stock, Super Stock, Super Gas, Super Street or Super Comp racers following NHRA in any capacity outside of a select few. There's more racers up here running IHRA Nationals and Pro-Ams then anything NHRA.

We have local 10.90 series up this way and out of the 55+ racers who run in it, under 10 have NHRA Super Street numbers.

If NHRA wants to grow their participation numbers then they will need to allow IHRA style cars some transitional years to want to build NHRA legal combos' because right now there is next to no incentive to especially when there's 5 IHRA Nationals or Pro Am's within 7 hours or less from Central Ontario , and there isnt 3 NHRA divisionals within 10 hours of that same driving circle....

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1.) "simple motor change" yea, just "slap together" a 10K to 25K motor and throw it in your car. I always thought the true intention of a Stock Eliminator was a entry level classes.

2.) I can never understand why the idea of too many classes is a problem? Isn't it just a big bracket race anyway. The real difference is the cars are not typical bracket cars and I enjoy the performance challenge of a class car.

I have a 85 Camaro as my next build. Either going to build a 4 Cyl W/SA car or a Pure Stock with the original 305 motor which runs great. E/PS index is a 13.40 I could use the the original rear with gear change, converter change, just go through the motor (even leave the shortblock alone) maybe add a "cheater cam" Install roll bar now just in case I would want too step up to a traditional Stock Eliminator class. Today the only place to run this car here in the Northeast (New York) are the All Star S/SS Combo races.

Crate Motor and GT Stock adds a lot of different cool combinations too. I personally love a Vega with a 350/300 HP crate motor.

Will Lamprecht Div 1 I/SA 65 Impala 396/325 Building engine now. 2016 debut

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While on qoutes , maybe compare your wallet to the other guy

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:-)

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In defense of Roy McNeil.
He makes great points and he is correct about the data.

However his data also helps validate my points.
More racers building non Traditional Stocker if NHRA participated.
Includes the Heads up x.90 Classes that IHRA sanctions.

Bracket Racers would step up too.
Some of the upgrade rules of Stock are beneficial.
Now you can put a SBC in a Vega and run Stock.
It is a relatively inexpensive bolt in combination.

Along with the GT and CM it adds variety.
There is no rush to new build traditional 60's/70's Muscle Cars
because the collector value and parts.

Do like the new FS Classes. It was a boom for the industry and nobody cried about these new $100k Cookie Cutter Factory built Stockers.
Fine for those racers that have the bucks.

There is a lot to be said building your own ride and winning races with them.

d

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Sorry but stock is not meant for everyone. Your thinking is part of the problem with this country. I try to stay out of politics and philosophical arguments. But here goes. Then I am done on this subject.

Rather than saying I want to race NHRA and build a car to do so you are saying I want to build whatever I want regardless of the rules. And now that I have I expect NHRA to change their rules to let me race with them.

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Why is it no matter the facts. Dan you can't even fill a 12 month calendar with existing pure stock cars. Your excuse is Nhra is over priced. Why keep bashing? You are a keyboard racer face it. Please get another hobby besides posting on a race site. They have Facebook for guys like you

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yes !!

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[quote=James Perrone;494622]Why is it no matter the facts. Dan you can't even fill a 12 month calendar with existing pure stock cars. Your excuse is Nhra is over priced. Why keep bashing? You are a keyboard racer face it. Please get another hobby besides posting on a race site. They have Facebook for guys like yo

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Just a question. I cant remember 2007 or 2008 IHRA was displeased with the condition of the pit area, mainly where the pros parked. Did they ever fix or improve it ? I haven't returned since then so I am wondering what NHRA sees as advantageous to having an event there. I am very happy this is happening and hoping for a good turn out as this would be the closest NHRA event in the WNY area.

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Wasting your breath James. LOL