Showroom Stock why not?
 

I would love if NHRA would consider introducing at Divisional events, a class that would be call Showroom Stock. All run on a dial index(bracket racing style or stock super stock et dial) 2) 10 years and newer models 3) only modification tires and wheels &dual exhaust. this would be an entry level,which could bring new blood that might want to move up to S/Super stock classes or retain old blood racing at an affordable level. We could interest automobile manufacturer(new vehicle sales) Tire and wheel manufacturer would be interested by new sales. I think that there is enough time at a race to schedule this class. Like I've said in the past better to have a car going down the strip than a snowmobile anytime. Look we have to get more people in love with our sportand stop making it an elitous sport for the rich.Claude Ruel

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Sounds a lot like the old 'Pure Stock' class, that became Stock in 1972.

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Sounds fun.

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There are already too many different classes at the points races. There is not enough time for the existing classes. I don't think it would generate a lot of interest. Div 2 tried the heads up index classes and that failed miserably. Those type of racers don't want travel and to go to a 3 day event for only one race. The HRA's need to figure out how to get more spectators to their events to be able to increase the payout. that will get more cars to the events.

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Dream on ...........Can't police them - no time on schedule - not enough interest from racers or tire guys - should I keep going ?

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I like it. Drive them there, race, drive them home. Like the 50's. More fun. Back then and in the 60's is the way we did it. Tech was not hard, pull one down on occasion or the protests are great and exciting between the brands. Why don't you get hold of your SRAC rep and let them bring it up. I don't think the details would be that hard to work out, but I have been wrong before, in 1972 April I was wrong on something. Don't remember what it was.

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Thank You Mr. Teuton coming from a U.S National winner is great. I've tried our Divisional rep and have said that it was a good idea but no further response. I will try again. Jack, like many great supporter of class racing such as yourself you do not see people looking up at your operation saying to themselves I can't afford this. I've taken time when going to Divisional & National events and asked many spectator if they would be interested in such class and all said that they would love a chance to participate. It's a bracket race which would be a preparation for maybe moving up? I've to many Divisional races and I have to say that there is a lot of time to run such class.. It 's not like the 72 pure stock class, since no advantage to blueprinting an engine, it's an all run class no index. NHRA wake up. My second beef is why Divisional race can't be more advertise om the radio, free tickets(P.C Richardsdo a great job) Racers you have an obligation to pass on the word to High Schools and Shpping Malls showing something to get people fire up for this great show coming into town.Claude.

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Great idea.

Unfortunately, as Jack pointed out above, there are alot of things in the way preventing this from happening with the NHRA.

IHRA might be more receptive, but they have a very limited amount of events and tracks.


If the NMCA was larger and had more events at more tracks throughout the racing season, that would be the organization to approach with the idea.

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Claude - You're very right as i'm fortunate enough to run an operation like mine - but you're trying to fix something that ain't broke - we can't handle another class let alone one that must be policed .As for the advertising only a race promoter knows how expensive radio really is .

As for people supporting the races - just ask Mr. Beard how ugly it can get - saying it is one thing - showing up is another .

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Ok then please explain time required, I've sat in the stand sometimes for 30 minutes with nothing happening going on. I would be buying a new Challenger,Mustang,Camaro in seconds if NHRA woke up from their sleep. This would be great during S/SS elimination, while everyone is being paired up you could run 30 plus cars. these car do not run through the water and just a simple dry burn out is all that is needed, no crewman to line you. Up clean out the slicks, just line up and race. We haven't seen anything new from NHRa in a thousand years to help the little guy. don't forget it was bracket Racing that has kept drag racing alive. I love Competition eliminator, Super Stock and stock eliminator and I hope that NHRA doesn't drop class racing and replace it with index racing as someone from NHRA was hinting at Indy this year.CR

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When the factory began building new COPOs, DPs, and CJs did anyone say then that there were too many classes and too many cars already? I can't remember that response then.

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Could be the mfgrs of those cars put up big money to sponsor big races.
If you wanted to put the money up for that, you might pull it off.

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Thinking of an entry level is good, but.... Every week end there is a drive in track in your neighborhood with Bracket racing. That's what you are proposing and another Bracket race at Points meets is not needed. Think of ONE car to feature and let everyone enter that class heads up and you might have something. I would pay money to sponsor that race. I already Have...using one class.

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Gahy porn

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How about the total collapse of companies choosing to stop paying for class win and records.Companies need new trends,be part of the solution not the problem. Running Legend cars or snowmobiles is a better show than new cars running nearly heads up? A new Mustang with a 5.0 can run at will with good tires 11.90 Imagine ten of these cars running side by side one could be 11.91 the other 11.90 no one could detect the difference between the two cars. What are you afraid anyways, this would help the track with a little more cash coming their ways. I think we're not too far from seeing Outlaw racing and Twin Turbos being part of National meets soon anyways.Claude Ruel

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Sorry, just don't see another new class, especially one that NHRA actually has to police as close as Stock Eliminator and Super Stock, which they'd actually like to get rid of. There's no room, no time, no money, and no personnel. We have already had quotas at a lot of events. Who do you propose gets locked out to make room for the new classes?

No one is "afraid" of anything.

What's next? Sealed crate engines?

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You do point out one issue, companies stopping paying for many things.
Too many Nationals to pay too many class winners and the old days guys weren't using the products just getting the money. We could talk about not enough true class racing except INDY or Class nationals to warrant paying

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When introduced those cars all went into existing classes.

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The big 3 would love that !


Ford already has a dedicated sealed factory crate class right now in the NMRA--Coyote Stock.

Not sure, but I thought the NMCA was working on a GM LS crate engine class as well. Not sure if it was finalized or not.

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Alan, no need to police anything since it's an all run category with no one getting pushed out. All you really need is a good set of drag radials. I've sat through enough races from the bleachers to tell you that there is enough time.Since I believe in this I am ready to put some money where my mouth is for Division 1 races. Claude Ruel

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Why now?

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All run? No tech? No qualifying? So this is bracket racing disguised as "Showroom Stock"?

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Guess you were not at Englishtown LODRS this past weekend as there was no time for anything but serious racing .As for funding - here's the deal for you - you can be like the snowmobile guys and gals as they fund their whole deal themselves - step up and bring your checkbook ! ! !

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Jack I respect you vast experience from your early days driving your Chevrolet delivery wagon to your new COPO.I don't think that any of us wiser(not older) gentlemen could have step up to a top of the line race car when we started but many did drive right off the street with their 67,8,9 Camaro into a class that NHRA determined was right for us. All I'm suggesting is a new way to bring new blood and old blood back at a divisional event. Not to take away from the guys and gals who pay their own way to race sleds down the quarter mile but I think that it would better to see new cars going down the quarter mile than something needing snow in the middle of the summer.Sorry that I missed the race since I broke my leg working. my other question for all of you out there is why are there hardly any spectator for such a great show as a divisional event? Is it because of not enough advertising or there's too much competition for the same dollar? thanks

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oops, wrong again.

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I think you need to get a life. Oh by the way, there are some used race cars for sale in each and every issue of National Dragster. I suggest that you invest in one, and come out and race for real. You may find that you may just like it. It sure beats dreaming about it.

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These interesting arguments for Factory Stock or Showroom Stock are the same ones for Pure Stock.
Most cars can run under the index with a few sorted modifications.

Gears, Sticky Tires and Tune.
Add a street Converter and will run 2-4 tenths under.
All the normal bolt on equipment.

I think this is a worthy conversation as described Showroom Stock fit into current Pure Stock IHRA rules.

For almost a decade that is how I ran my Pure Stocker.
Mostly Bracket Racing then Stock.
Would change tires at the track and race.

Over the years my car has been upgraded.
One day may make the huge change to Stock.

The point about Showroom Stock and Pure Stock is to attract new racers.
Get excited newcomers hooked into the Sport we love.
Fwiw we have a conduit for Showroom Stock already available!

Dna

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Where were all the "No New Classes" folks when NHRA added 23 new classes to Super Stock last year bringing the total to 109 classes. I think it is a medical issue discovered by the CDC a couple years ago called "OK to Add Classes if I like the Cars in the Class", which is an offshoot of another disease the CDC found in 2008 called "Old Cars are the Only cars". Research is continuing.

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Just call it bracket 1,2,3.

However most young guys/girls aren't interested in bracket racing. New spectators to the sport really don't understand or like bracket racing.

Everyone generally prefers heads up, beating the other guy in the lane. That's what you see on test and tunes and you see more spectators in the stands on those nights also.

Problem is heads up is expensive and the more rules that are added the more expensive it gets. Even the crate motor cars are becoming humongously expensive. Why because speed cost money how fast do you want to go? Not uncommon to be spending thousands of dollars on bolts to lessen the polar moment of inertia.

Want more people and new blood? Put on what the kids are into. Current fad is small tire and grudge racing. Have to always be changing with the times not trying to rekindle old flames. Those things worked at the time not because they were designed that way but due to a perfect storm.

Perhaps there will be a lot of draw in your area for this and it will work. In my area it's battling of the area codes at a local track 2-3x a year on who's the quickest with an instant green start.

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Claude great idea...unfortunately you get the following:
Great idea unfortunately...
Dream on...
Claude "your very right" but...
Sorry...
You can be like "snowmobile guys and gals"
There were exceptions to these responses that very well stated a positive viewpoint thank you.
I see plenty of showroom cars from all the major manufactures wherever I travel.

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If you can get a few manufacturers behind your idea, or even a few local dealerships in the area that might be the start of something for your idea. Just sending an email or calling a division office and getting them to start the class might be hard, or impossible.
I see Jeff Teuton is in support of your idea. There is a start, he is a dealership owner, and plugged into Chrysler.
Another Idea, is to get some people together that will support the program you are putting forward to petition NHRA to start the class.Try to promote this locally and see what kind of turnout you get. If people show up and support the class you might have something there.

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Brink, I have two race cars, one is a former Don Hardy Vega racing in S/ST and the other is an 87 Camaro G/Sa stock. Instead of being part of the problem be part of the solution.

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I really appreciate all your great comments, I'll be following up on most of the great ideas. thanks. Claude

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Chip Horton had an idea years ago: Give every spectator at a National event a free pass to race at that track the following week in their Trophy/Street class.

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And your point is ?

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I think asking for another complete set of classes and cars without ways to have rules is asking to Dumb Down Drag Racing.
Encourage anyone interested in getting into NHRA organized Class racing to work their way up to it on week ends at a local track as it is today. Then encourage them to buy a used class car as suggested and participate with the rules we have now. Result would be earning a way into the meet not just opening the gate to people without them at least earning a spot at the event.

Opportunity to get into the racing is not the dominant problem with Class racing. It is all cars are lb/hp( very arbitrary and subjective) Many other basic forms of entry class have been offered but fear of change results in negative comments.

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You want a new car bracket race right? . No teardowns , no weights , no indexes, no records, no heads ups... ect .... Just what part is class racing ? ..Its a glorified bracket race ,,,,,