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Wow, only ten comp cars at the div one race. D one usually has a strong turnout of comp cars.Is comp eliminator on life support ? ....M.J.

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Not sure what's going on in D1, but comp is hurting everywhere. I love it, but honestly can't see it lasting much longer. I know the new fuel isn't helping car counts any...

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M.J. I will volunteer to field a comp team if you will sponsor it I figure a million a year should be sufficient. I will even put one of them red bird license plates on the front!

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George washington sucker

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Mickey will be crew chief and in charge of beverages and we'll name it Mr Deez.

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Im in baby

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It's the dollar, dude

Worth about as much as a dryer sheet now.
When it gets down to a square of t.p., you'll see only 5 cars.





Meanwhile, if you got a few left, might as well spend them now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TufDxRHetcI

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My hat is off to anyone who races a $100,000 or more comp car for the same purse and decal $ that a $10,000 super street ride would win. D7 draws 6-8 of them...................

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Oooch!!!! People running comp not racing for the money

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Teddy Yacavone, so what you are saying is......the economy isn't as strong as Nobama would like us to believe ....LOL......M.J.

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Mighty Quinn,
Can't comment on that here in this section..

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If your looking for comp cars they are in the Super Stock staging lanes now :)

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Div 6 at Acton Mt this weekend drew 6 in Comp

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Highly Developed and varied combinations. Great hard working racers. Super expensive form of open racing with dial in. To each his own but probably coming to an end. Amazing how NHRA has allowed many racers to branch out into various directions and classes in an attempt to satisfy many styles of challenge. I am waiting for them to see the value of spec style racing again like Mod eliminator where many challenges of many classes hit heads up. Almost every other style of racing organization has gone to this format with success and popularity.

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NHRA has been trying to sell Diversity in Comp with no heads up, class for any car. Not working real well. So that worked so well, now we have 109 classes in Super Stock and I guess they might perceive Diversity will work better in Super Stock. Like Forrest Gump said, "I'm not a smart man." and neither am I. I know there is some difference with Mod cars in SS and Comp, but nobody could ever explain it to me.

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Are the hood scoop cars running Super Stock fast enough for Comp? I always figured most were running Super Stock because they weren't really fast enough for Comp. Comp is getting very expensive.

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No their not that's why there in SS.

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Jeff, maybe you can help me understand why so many people don't want to race heads up with the "same" combinations. I know finding the weak factor WAS the way to look good in class racing at one time but now every day there Is a new weak factor so It makes your head spin trying to figure the real good car to run. Before you can build one a Newer weak factor is there to make you look slow.
Seems giving a Mod or true heads up spec class a chance to be tried could be fun and if it doesn't work out the old dial in eliminator is still there.
Learning a combo and driving to win are two real advantages.

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How can you blame a car count on the fuel?

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The low car counts might be the cost factor? A small block comp motor is in excess of $80,000 for a good one. Add the car, trans, convertor a couple gear sets and spares and your $300,000. lighter, to start.

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Exactly why mine is in s/s and not comp . If the had the time to be at the track every week flogging the death out of it maybe but I race 3-5 times per year

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This is what I was referring to in my earlier post, the cost is got to be astronomical to run a real competitive car.

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Just looking at that.
The number 5 doesn't seem so far fetched all of a sudden.

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I am not blaming just the fuel, just stating that it's one of the contributing factors. I run comp and the fuel is def not the same. We haven't had a chance to figure it out since we've been dealing with other issues. Comp has many problems but the cost is probably the main one. Why do we do it? Probably the same reason every racer races because we love it. The challenge of making changes every run to try and pick up small amount. Comp is near the end and I can only see a few more years max. What will we do then, I guess take up fishing.

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D3 comp participation seems to be pretty good

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IMO, the cost of building and maintaining a car and the economy are two of the main contributing factors. The cost of parts and maintenance is self explanatory and have gone up substantially in recent years. But the economy is two fold. Those with regular jobs who were on the edge of competing(or at least competing more often) based on finances, have cut back or parked completely. It becomes much tougher to take time off when work is slimmer. I've found that even those who used to come to the track to help crew can't do it as often for the same reasons. Also consider, in a slow economy, even though they may be better off financially than independent workers, business owners may need to spend more time at the business to make sure it stays afloat. I don't know of anyone personally who has stayed home because of the new fuel.

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I've heard that some D1 comp racers are not fond of LVD. We've had good success at that track-I think one of our cars has won 3 times in the last 5 years. Plus the LVD event is soon after two national events and right before another national event that a lot of D1 racers go to. I know that by the time the Epping points race is over, our team will have been to six races in seven weeks. The dedication of Al Ackerman to comp is something to admire. The fact that he builds the engines in my car is the reason I can afford to race comp. I can also tell you that our comp cars probably don't cost as much as a lot (think all the new stockers and SS, perhaps some of the hood scoop SS, plus a lot of TS and may even some TD) of cars out there.

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There is a competitive H/EA comp car for sale on inside comp, aragona car

If you want to try the water, call frank

http://www.insidecompracing.com/showthread.php?t=10804

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As one of the "hood scoop" cars, I can say that I run SS because my car is not even close to competitive in Comp. My issue is not horsepower but chassis. My dad and I basically make the same horsepower but he has a purpose built super modified chassis which makes his car 10 times more competitive than mine. I, on the other hand, have tried adapting a purpose built GT car into a modified class with some success but cannot compete with the new style Cobalts and Cavaliers.

Personally, I would run Comp all day long if I could. I love racing SS as much as anyone but love the thought of no break-out that much more. Unfortunately, unless I switch cars, I am stuck in SS.

Michael

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I am not seeing the new breed of racers wanting to really "think"----I am not seeing the new breed of fan that wants to "think"----this a gross underestimated requirement for class racing and ESPECIALLY comp eliminator. Pardon me for having a reality check but so goes a lot of things around us today.

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i think he is refering to the new spec fuel from sunoco and the issues they are having with it.

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Correct. Comp has to use the same specific Sunoco fuel as Pro Stock, SR-18, which is very inconsistent in its formulation. It requires a complete different tune, the fuel batch varies the performance of the engine and does not always pass fuel check even when it is fresh. Pro Stock has experienced the same issues as Comp.

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Yes, there is a big difference in performance between a Comp Super Modified chassis and a Super Stock GT car.

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So what would b e the biggest difference between the two chassis. Is it weight bias, engine location, center of gravity, rigidity, or something different entirely?

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Might not be a bad time to go Comp racing I always fancied myself driving some sort of blown SBF powered classic Ford in Comp. Too bad I'm getting out altogether and putting everything up for sale :(

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When comparing the 2 cars, it is a night and day difference in all the items you listed!

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X2! Chassis builders say it is easier for them to build a Super Modified car than a GT car.

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Joilet national event

Super Stock - 82.9%
Comp - 88.9%

What's up with Super Stock?? :)

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For Norwalk, there are more than twice as many S/S cars (70) entered as Comp (30). It's much easier to get a high % of entries when the quota for Comp is less than half the cars of S/S.

Competition Eliminator 34 30 88.2%

Super Stock 75 70 93.3%

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Yes, I understand that.

I see no reason for panic. Lol.